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Old 03-29-2006, 02:47 AM   #1
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By BARRY WILNER, AP Football Writer
March 28, 2006

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) -- Before he retires as commissioner, Paul Tagliabue would like to see the NFL get closer to placing a team back in Los Angeles.

While Tagliabue plans to be gone from the league in July -- if the owners can get together and find a successor by then -- a solution to the situation doesn't figure to come that soon.

Two sites are being considered, in Anaheim and at the current location of the Los Angeles Coliseum, each with cost estimates at $800 million, considerably higher than previous price tags. Tagliabue is eager to see a franchise return to Los Angeles, which was abandoned by the Raiders and the Rams after the 1994 season -- then failed to come up with public financing for an expansion team, which went to Houston beginning in 2002.

The subject is being discussed this week at the NFL meetings, although it will be at the spring meetings in May that any concrete plans are developed.

"My guess is that we will be going forward with those presentations on behalf of the Coliseum and Anaheim so that we can make some decisions in Denver, to select one of the stadium projects and to go forward with the process of identifying a team and building a stadium," Tagliabue said.

Tagliabue has told the 32 team owners that unless a plan for Los Angeles is formulated soon, getting a team back into the nation's second-largest market won't occur by the end of the decade. For now, a six-man committee is handling the issue.

He admitted that the stadium situation in California is not a good one. The Oakland Raiders, San Francisco 49ers and San Diego Chargers all play in older ballparks and are seeking new homes -- with a large chunk of municipal funding. The league has the G3 fund that helps get stadiums built and has worked well in other cities.

But it has not gotten anywhere on the West Coast, south of Seattle.

"They don't have the best stadiums in California," Tagliabue said, "and we're trying to work on that. Yes, it will be a priority."

Another priority for Tagliabue is making sure the Saints get back to New Orleans. The league scheduled the Saints' first home game in the Louisiana Superdome since Hurricane Katrina hit last August for Sept. 24, the third week of the season. Tagliabue said he's been assured by Saints owner Tom Benson that the team is progressing well toward its return, and the commissioner will be in New Orleans next week to "identify progress made in critical areas."

Tagliabue also dismisses the chance of a regular-season game outside the United States this year. In 2005, Arizona hosted San Francisco in Mexico City, drawing 103,467, the largest crowd in NFL history. The Cardinals won 31-14 and Tagliabue called the game "an element of legitimacy."

Still, the NFL won't be going overseas in '06.
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Old 03-29-2006, 02:55 AM   #2
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raiders cant move again they built a bridge that goes to macafee now and it has bart drop you there now to, our contract is not up till 2027!
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Old 03-29-2006, 03:44 AM   #3
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I hope! That way the Steelers will be closer to my house at least once a year!
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Old 03-29-2006, 10:07 AM   #4
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I just dont want to see the league get any more watered down
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Another team in LA will end up just like the ones that have already left.
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Old 03-29-2006, 03:48 PM   #6
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I just dont want to see the league get any more watered down
Can you explain how?
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If the NFL adds a team in LA, they need to subtract a team somewhere else. 32 teams is good, the symmetry of scheduling is nice, and the league already has a shortage of quality QB's.
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The blame for the lack of NFL football in Los Angeles is primarily due to Paul Tagliabue.

Most fans on MBs will believe that football won't work in LA because the Radiers and Rams left. LA never really embraced the Raiders, so forget them. For several years, the Raiders had hundreds, if not thousands, of fans fly into LA from the Bay Area for the day to see the Raiders.

The Coliseum is a dump. It was a dump 30 years ago. Carroll Rosenbloom hated it and that is why he moved the team to Anaheim. The Rams had decent crowds for many years in Anaheim - after he died and his ditzy widow inherited the team. She drove it into the ground and turned off the fans, just like Irsay in Baltimore and Bidwill in St. Louis.

Then, she grabbed the money offered by St. Louis, broke the lease with Anaheim, and left.

Had the NFL expanded to Baltimore and St. Louis instead of Charlotte and Jacksonville, the Browns would likely had not left Cleveland and the Rams could not have fled to St. Louis.
Tagliabue desperately wanted Charlotte and got it. When the owners could not agree on either St. Louis or Baltimore, Tagliabue encouraged them to pick Jacksonville. Less than two years later, the Rams and Browns gobbled up the new stadia and relocation bonuses offered by those cities.

The Rams and Ratbirds won Super Bowls. Jacksonville can't sell out and they are in the NFL's smallest market.

A good stadium in LA would provide a good draw from the NFL. Right now, every stadium in California is a pile of junk.
The Chargers, Saints and Jag-offs would be the prime candidates to move to LA. An expansion team in LA would have to be matched with an expansion team in another city (Toronto?) to prevent two teams from having to play 16 consecutive weeks.
This would water down the talent base even more.
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Old 03-29-2006, 09:13 PM   #9
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I see what you meant now. Seems logical.
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How big is Jacksonville in comparison to other major market teams? I know Pittsburgh technically is somewhat on the smaller side of a city that can host a team but that is made up by an insanely loyal fanbase that supports the team through thick and thin. What is the least amount of money/fan support needed by a team to sustain itself in a city/market? Are there any other teams in the NFL that have similarly sized markets to Jacksonville that are doing better than them? New Orleans I believe has too loyal of a fanbase to leave (unless lack of money because of low population in the area or the inability to fix the superdome becomes an issue). IMO, New Orleans as a city is doomed. It's sinkin........can't fix that. When you build a city underwater it is only a matter of time before it becomes uninhabitible (sp?). I could be wrong though, Venice is still surviving and it's hundreds of years old. California it would seem is an already crowded market in terms of NFL teams. Two teams are put less than ten miles from each other surrounded only by an oversized lake. The other team is so close to the border that churros can be sold with the advertising "freshly made in Mexico." LA is a fickle city. Just look at what it is known for and you see that for them one thing can be hot today and cold tomorrow. This isn't the kind of environment you want to raise an NFL team in. Think exagerated bengals situation: when losing you can't sell seats for your life, when winning seats are oversold and fans brag it's the best thing ever. Problem is, if you go the route of the expansion team a la Houston texans there isn't gonna be many wins let alone a winning season for a good while and fans aren't gonna come out to support that type of team. Not many states in this country can support one team let alone four. From reading here I can only think of two options: 1) If Jacksonville is strugglin move them to LA 2) If the subject of an expansion team comes up and another team is needed to balance the books possible other market could be Portland, OR; but that just thins the talent out even more as someone else said. Just some thoughts. Peace.

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