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Old 11-30-2010, 02:43 PM   #11
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He's 33. Anyways, Ben should be #1. He's one of only 2 guys on this list with a ring, let alone 2 of them. I would also make the case that Rivers has a lot more weapons. Ben has way better feet and more playmaking ability as well. Rivers is very mediocre (if even that) in the playoffs....58.5% completion, 8 TD, 9 INTs with a 3-4 starting record. Ben, on the other hand has 61.9% completion, 15 TD, 12 INTs with an 8-2 starting record.
Good thing Michael Vick just turned 30 otherwise he'd smoke them all. He's having a heck of a year, so far.
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How could Ben have an 8-2 starting record when he missed 4 games? His starting record is 5-2.

As for his 2 rings, we won't hold his pathetic 22.6 QB rating during SB XL against him, ok? We'll just keep the good and forget the awful.
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Old 11-30-2010, 02:56 PM   #12
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Default Re: Terry Bradshaw: Top 10 QBs under 30

Until Phillip Rivers makes some noise in the playoffs he will be Peyton Manning pre-2006 - throws a pretty pass but something always going wrong in January unless it involves playing the Colts - his performance against the Jets last season was a bust

I agree Rivers is a talent, as does Bill Cowher, who would have drafted Rivers iof given the chance in 2004. But this is not the BCS or Heisman Trophy balloting - all of these QBs are wealthy beyond their wildest dreams and are measured by how they perform in the post-season
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Old 11-30-2010, 03:05 PM   #13
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I'm fairly shocked he has Ben at 2, to be honest. And, seriously, yes, Ben won
two rings, but Marino never won a ring. I think just watching them play, I can
make an argument for Rivers. There is a lot more to winning a ring than JUST
the QB play alone - i.e. entire rest of the team, over all talent, intangibles, coach
staff, etc. An argument can be made that if Rivers didn't have garbage head
coach, he would have won some rings by now. It's been proven 1000 times over,
if you don't have a legit head coach, you can't win the big one. Norv is a good guy,
good OC, but has never appeared to be a legit head coach.
A great QB usually makes the HC rather than the other way around (e.g. - Shanahan never won boo without Elway and Belichick did not light it up in Cleveland without Brady). If Rivers is that great he shoudl be able to overcome Marty and Norv. Only multiple Lombardis winner who overcame mediocre QB talent was Joe Gibbs (Joe Theismann, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien).

As for being pulled down by what you have around you, hard to say Roethlisberger has benefited by having a great offensive line and the superior intellect of Bruce Arians dialing up the play calls.

Bottom line is this is not the 1970s when a QB such as Bradshaw played with 8 other Hall of Famers - every team has weaknesses these days - Chargers have been relatively loaded with talent since Rivers took the wheel
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that's ok, i'll still take Ben over Rivers.

Yeah, Vick is not under 30 so he's not on there but whats up with him this year? Looks like the second coming of Joe Montana.
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I can't deny that. Philip Rivers is an absolute monster. Maybe Ben is being held back by Arians.
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Good thing Michael Vick just turned 30 otherwise he'd smoke them all. He's having a heck of a year, so far.
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How could Ben have an 8-2 starting record when he missed 4 games? His starting record is 5-2.

As for his 2 rings, we won't hold his pathetic 22.6 QB rating during SB XL against him, ok? We'll just keep the good and forget the awful.
He said that Ben's career record in the playoffs is 8-2 man not his record this year. Yeah he was awful in Super Bowl XL no doubt but he was great in the games leading up to it as he was in the games leading up to and including the last SUper Bowl win. I'll take Ben over Rivers for the playoff abiltiies alone.
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I'll take Ben over Rivers. Rivers is very good if not great but he hasn't shown anything in the playoffs. For that reason I can't list him ahead of Ben.
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He said that Ben's career record in the playoffs is 8-2 man not his record this year. Yeah he was awful in Super Bowl XL no doubt but he was great in the games leading up to it as he was in the games leading up to and including the last SUper Bowl win. I'll take Ben over Rivers for the playoff abiltiies alone.
Oh, I got it now. It's playoffs record, not season record.
I'm fine with Ben although I wouldn't mind less sacks. I'm essentially frustrated with what Arians asks him to do.
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If I am looking at overall skill and competence, then I would take Rodgers in a heartbeat. But as a fit to our team (ie: no offensive line), Ben is the best. I just wish he would learn to throw the football away once in a while.
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Ben was lucky enough to be drafted by the Steelers and won 2 Super Bowls with them. Otherwise, he would probably be like 5th on this list.

I'm not saying the man's not good, he's just not the second best on this list. I'd put him behind Rivers, Rodgers, and Matty Ice at least.
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