Why register with the Steelers Fever Forums?
 • Intelligent and friendly discussions.
 • It's free and it's quick. Always.
 • Enter events in the forums calendar.
 • Very user friendly software.
 • Exclusive contests and giveaways.

 Donate to Steelers Fever, Click here
 Our 2013 Goal: $400.00 - To Date: $00.00 (00.00%)
 Home | Forums | Editorials | Shop | Tickets | Downloads | Contact Pittsburgh Steelers Forum Feed Not Just Fans. Hardcore Fans.

Go Back   Steelers Fever Forums > Steelers Football > Pittsburgh Steelers


Steelers Fever Fan Shop

Doc's Sports Get FREE NFL Picks and College Football picks as well as Football Lines like live NFL Lines and updated NFL Power Rankings all at Doc's Sports Service.

Steelers Steelers - Bills Bills
August 16th, 2014, 7:30pmET

CBS
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 12-01-2010, 11:24 AM   #1
finesward
Team Captain
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 719
Member Number: 14448
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default wheres all the whiz lovers?

A lotta folks were claiming whisenhunt was the better coach, he got paid more when the cardinals gave him his extension, took a lesser team and crafted a team capable of getting to the superbowl. Lots of ppl were dissing the front office for going with tomlin after failing to make the playoffs last year. Well take a look at the cards. They are in a weak division and have essentially given up, absolutely no effort being given, team is just going through the motions. We are 8-3 w/o our star QB for 4 games, players playing hard 10 out of the 11 games played (pats being he exception) and they still play like a team out to earn respect. Which is what tomlin preaches. Thanks rooneys for picking the right guy
finesward is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2010, 11:28 AM   #2
steelax04
Assistant Coach
Supporter
 
steelax04's Avatar
 
HolmenKollen Ski Jump Champion!
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 1,471
Gender: Male
Member Number: 12182
Thanks: 342
Thanked 706 Times in 325 Posts
My Mood: Yeehaw
Default Re: wheres all the whiz lovers?

This is actually a good discussion I'd like to see both sides on... I was happy to see some new blood from outside of the organization. A little shake-up isn't a bad thing from time to time.
steelax04 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2010, 11:33 AM   #3
steeltheone
Living Legend
Supporter
 
steeltheone's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Harrisburg Pa.
Posts: 3,301
Gender: Male
Member Number: 6351
Thanks: 218
Thanked 306 Times in 187 Posts
Default Re: wheres all the whiz lovers?

Do you really think Whiz would not have taken Cowhers Team and been succesful? Tomlin has been fine. The real challenge will be when Cowhers guys are gone and see how he does. This team will be completely different in the next 2 -3 years.
__________________
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence." - Vince Lombardi
steeltheone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2010, 11:39 AM   #4
Rick5895
Team President
 
Rick5895's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: St.Thomas, ontario , canada
Posts: 2,137
Gender: Male
Member Number: 5148
Thanks: 21
Thanked 33 Times in 22 Posts
Default Re: wheres all the whiz lovers?

I think the Steelers made a good choice with Tomlin, but I really liked Whiz, but IMO the man that deserves a hell of a lot more credit for our offense before Tomlin and the guy who should get most of the crdit with the Cards in '08 is Grimm. I would love to see him back here.
Rick5895 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2010, 11:42 AM   #5
lionslicer
Team President
 
lionslicer's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 2,371
Gender: Male
Member Number: 12850
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: wheres all the whiz lovers?

I can't really say this is Cowher's team, remember this is the same team that went 2-6 after the superbowl victory and only went 6-2 after that because of the weak schedule. Tomlin came in and his work ethic with the team really got them in superbowl fasion again, his first year kind of hit a flat line because he practiced them too hard, but he lightened up a little and taught players to block on interception returns and bam you have a superbowl team in his 2nd year.
Add in all the new starters, the terrible OC, a lot of new coaches, a lot of new young players, Harrison who Cowher didn't see much potential other than a back up, its a new-ish team that I think Tomlin can have some credit for, good or bad.

I really don't know how Whiz would have done in Pittsburgh, I think the offense would be a lot better, but could he actually motivate players? He wasn't a sideline coach, he was usually in the booth, didn't have much interaction with players during the game. Could he have won a superbowl here? Probably, would it have been as soon as Tomlin did it? I doubt it.
lionslicer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2010, 12:07 PM   #6
DoubleYoi
Bench Warmer
 
DoubleYoi's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 174
Gender: Male
Member Number: 15474
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: wheres all the whiz lovers?

The Cards were left in a real tough spot when Kurt Warner retired and Boldin left town. I'm not at all convinced Whiz should be blamed for the Cards problems this year. Having said that, comparing Whiz to Tomlin at this point in their respective careers is apples to oranges. Whiz took the the reins of a fledgling organization while Tomlin took the reins of the best-run franchise in the NFL with a front office many teams would kill for. Not praising Whiz or bashing Tomlin but it is what it is.
DoubleYoi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2010, 12:21 PM   #7
Whodis
Team Captain
 
Whodis's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sunnyvale Trailer Park
Posts: 738
Gender: Male
Member Number: 6483
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: wheres all the whiz lovers?

Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleYoi View Post
The Cards were left in a real tough spot when Kurt Warner retired and Boldin left town. I'm not at all convinced Whiz should be blamed for the Cards problems this year. Having said that, comparing Whiz to Tomlin at this point in their respective careers is apples to oranges. Whiz took the the reins of a fledgling organization while Tomlin took the reins of the best-run franchise in the NFL with a front office many teams would kill for. Not praising Whiz or bashing Tomlin but it is what it is.
This
__________________
Whodis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2010, 12:47 PM   #8
OX1947
Living Legend
 
OX1947's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 3,664
Member Number: 723
Thanks: 167
Thanked 1,056 Times in 557 Posts
Default Re: wheres all the whiz lovers?

Whiz lost his entire team in the offseason. Either by free agency or retirement and he was given Derek Anderson as a replacement. You could put Belicrap, Parcells and Cowher on that Cards team and it wouldnt make a difference.
OX1947 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2010, 12:53 PM   #9
steelerchad
Team President
Supporter
 

Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,158
Member Number: 5792
Thanks: 7
Thanked 327 Times in 158 Posts
Default Re: wheres all the whiz lovers?

Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleYoi View Post
The Cards were left in a real tough spot when Kurt Warner retired and Boldin left town. I'm not at all convinced Whiz should be blamed for the Cards problems this year. Having said that, comparing Whiz to Tomlin at this point in their respective careers is apples to oranges. Whiz took the the reins of a fledgling organization while Tomlin took the reins of the best-run franchise in the NFL with a front office many teams would kill for. Not praising Whiz or bashing Tomlin but it is what it is.
agree with this, but you can't deny that it appears his team has totally quit on him.
Even in our 5 game skid last year, the team never quit. Every one of those losses was a 1 score game and the team did rebound to win their last 3. The Cards look like they have just given up after a 3-2 start, they've lost 6 straight. If Whiz can get them to play for him the rest of the year then fine, but if they remain uncompetitive against below average teams like the 49ers then that reflects highly on the coach.
steelerchad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2010, 12:53 PM   #10
jjpro11
Living Legend
 
jjpro11's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Near Cleveland
Posts: 4,012
Member Number: 3559
Thanks: 0
Thanked 116 Times in 55 Posts
Default Re: wheres all the whiz lovers?

how about comparing the draft classes of each coach? Their first drafts were in 2007. i am not too familiar with the Cardinals, but I see a lot of studs and some potential studs on the Steelers' side.

Cardinals -
http://www.databasefootball.com/draf...?tm=chc&lg=nfl

Steelers -
http://www.databasefootball.com/draf...?tm=PIT&lg=NFL
jjpro11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:36 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Shoutbox provided by vBShout v6.2.1 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.0.8 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.
Navbar with Avatar by Motorradforum
no new posts