Is Ben an elite qb or a very good qb?

Rush58 · 12-19-2010, 10:52 PM

the reason why i say that is b/c we have never been an elite O since ben has been starter. our O has had games, moments, but nothing with any true consistency. brees, rives, manning, and brady all put points. when other teams play those guys, they have that pressure to score points. i was watching our game and i thought sanchez and ben are basically the same b/c both teams are not threaten at all by the other teams O. i'm not bashing ben. i believe he's a good, solid qb but at times, ben is still raw. maybe i'm just expecting more with ben by now.

btw, i could care less about the loss. there are dozen way(s) to lose games but we need to be more productive on the O side. the rules won't allow us to beat a real qb 12-10. it's not happening.

Third Rail · 12-19-2010, 10:56 PM

Ben is a better QB than Sanchez. Come on. I know that the Jets won and they deserve credit for that (they played a fairly clean game and there was no tripping this time that I saw) but their victory had more to do with our defense blowing coverage at the worst possible times and of course, the ghost of the 2009 Steelers Special Teams rearing its ugly head around.

Oh, and Mewelde Moore. And you can blame Bruce Arians for that, really. Why the hell you would put your SLOWEST runningback in to carry the ball when you're IN YOUR OWN END ZONE is beyond me.

steelax04 · 12-19-2010, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rush58

the reason why i say that is b/c we have never been an elite O since ben has been starter. our O has had games, moments, but nothing with any true consistency. brees, rives, manning, and brady all put points. when other teams play those guys, they have that pressure to score points. i was watching our game and i thought sanchez and ben are basically the same b/c both teams are not threaten at all by the other teams O. i'm not bashing ben. i believe he's a good, solid qb but at times, ben is still raw. maybe i'm just expecting more with ben by now.

btw, i could care less about the loss. there are dozen way(s) to lose games but we need to be more productive on the O side. the rules won't allow us to beat a real qb 12-10. it's not happening.

And they were an elite O for the first 4 games of the season? Two 90+ yard drives tonight, and almost a 3rd 90+ yarder to win the game? The first 100 yard rusher against the Jets D since 2009? One special teams play and this is a W instead of a L. I also saw a pretty good no-huddle offense there too.

tanda10506 · 12-19-2010, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by steelax04

And they were an elite O for the first 4 games of the season? Two 90+ yard drives tonight, and almost a 3rd 90+ yarder to win the game? The first 100 yard rusher against the Jets D since 2009? One special teams play and this is a W instead of a L. I also saw a pretty good no-huddle offense there too.

The offense was pretty good. Ben is an elite QB, to me there's no question about it. He plays great and still puts up good numbers with one of the worst O line's there is. Also, Sanders would have scored a touchdown on 2nd and goal if he wasn't pulled by the back of the jersey. Even the "know it all" Phil Simms pointed out the obvious hold. That would have one the game right there, which is what Ben does all the time.

Rush58 · 12-19-2010, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Third Rail

Ben is a better QB than Sanchez. Come on.

i was referring to their unit. i don't sense teams saying, "man, we got to score some points to beat these guys." clearly, we sense this when we play qb(s) such as brees, brady, manning, or rivers. i don't care who their receivers are. they alway(s) have that production.

eafratitpm3 · 12-19-2010, 11:15 PM

Are you serious? Have you been watching this season, hell no he's not elite. With all the weapons this offense has they are not consistent. Elite QBs are Manning & Brady, everyone talks about our O-Line injuries and that's why the Offense is not good. Ben misses alot of wide open guys, just in this game alone he missed some easy throws. Elite QBs win, period!

Third Rail · 12-19-2010, 11:15 PM

You're right about that, but I have doubts that any of those guys would be productive with our receiver and runningback corps.

OX1947 · 12-19-2010, 11:16 PM

Too much instability with Big Ben. Every year there is something going on with him. There is no consistency. Elite Qb's like Manning and Brady are focused on football all the time with their shares of TV or endorsements. But football is priority 1. I don't feel like Big Ben is priority 1 with football. Maybe 1A with other things in life.

Guys like Big Ben are not typically 2 time Super Bowl winners though. So I think Ben might be an anomaly where he isn't a true elite QB but plays like one when it matters but then again, doesn't do it game in and game out.

pitt0wns · 12-19-2010, 11:18 PM

Everyone forgets we have a crappy O line

Also he is playing with a broken foot 2 different sized shoes etc.

Every 3 step drop he does no one is open

Arians Arians Arians needs to go go go!

Ben is a unique QB I would say he is top 5 in the league