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Old 12-20-2010, 10:34 AM   #11
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I remember him saying "he had it but he (sanders) slowed down! Had he not slowed down that would of been an easy TD." then after the replay "it was clear that the defender was holding his jersey, that should of been called"

Guess the ref's saw the game the same way the announcers did. Good clean defending by some of the best CB's in the league. Goes to show you the jets db's are way overrated, and against our speedy wideouts, especially sanders and wallace...they had to resort to holding on SEVERAL occasions
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:56 AM   #12
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I was pissed too at first b/c I didn't think he made HTH contact (and he didn't...and I think the refs should have called it launching and leading with the helmet, not HTH contact), but either way it was a penalty.
And that's where my issue is with the NFL and the Referees this year. Get the calls right... if you want to use these hits as "training" materials, then call them what they are. Focused on player safety? Then referees shouldn't have issues in determining what kind of unecessary roughness penalty it is.

And to the OPs point... yes, Simms sucks. He was on Sanchez's jock all game.

My favorite dialog of the game...(paraphrased)
Simms: "He's an incredible ball-handler!!!" (also after slobbering over Sanchez and how he has both hands on the ball when he drops back to pass on about 6 replays).
Nantz: "He had 4 fumbles last week. Of course you mean with fakes and play action?"
Simms: "Yeah, that's what I meant."
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Old 12-20-2010, 12:43 PM   #13
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If the ref does not get the call right then I disagree it is OK if another penalty should have been called - that just bails out the ref and further adds to the confusion as to what is or is not a penalty

Consider the possibility the ref did not think Clark committed a launching penalty since I would hope they are as familiar with the rule book as posters on this board and that penalty assesses the same yardage while not requiring helmet to helmet contact

If a cop charges me for failing to use my turn signal when I use it but does not charge me for running a red light as I was changing lanes, even though i did run the light, it does not make the turn signal ticket correct because he "could have/should have" charged me with running the light.

Saying what could have been called is not the test
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Old 12-20-2010, 12:50 PM   #14
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And that's where my issue is with the NFL and the Referees this year. Get the calls right... if you want to use these hits as "training" materials, then call them what they are. Focused on player safety? Then referees shouldn't have issues in determining what kind of unecessary roughness penalty it is.

And to the OPs point... yes, Simms sucks. He was on Sanchez's jock all game.

My favorite dialog of the game...(paraphrased)
Simms: "He's an incredible ball-handler!!!" (also after slobbering over Sanchez and how he has both hands on the ball when he drops back to pass on about 6 replays).
Nantz: "He had 4 fumbles last week. Of course you mean with fakes and play action?"
Simms: "Yeah, that's what I meant."
Don't forget the quote "that was just a little hold"

They threw a flag on Clarks, but not the hit Harrison made? I can honestly say I have no clue what is legal anymore.

Is there a rule for "pass interference"? Could someone please give me a link for it because I for the life of me can't figure out how Cromartie got away with that shit at the end. Those guys are such boobs they said "looks like he gave up on that play"
after replay "oh Cromartie pulled his jersey" akward silence..............
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Old 12-20-2010, 12:53 PM   #15
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If the ref does not get the call right then I disagree it is OK if another penalty should have been called - that just bails out the ref and further adds to the confusion as to what is or is not a penalty

Consider the possibility the ref did not think Clark committed a launching penalty since I would hope they are as familiar with the rule book as posters on this board and that penalty assesses the same yardage while not requiring helmet to helmet contact

If a cop charges me for failing to use my turn signal when I use it but does not charge me for running a red light as I was changing lanes, even though i did run the light, it does not make the turn signal ticket correct because he "could have/should have" charged me with running the light.

Saying what could have been called is not the test
I get your point, and don't disagree with it. I just understand why the penalty was called, even if it was the wrong reason. I guess I'd be more pissed if he made a perfectly clean tackle and they called it HTH (which they have done to him earlier this season).

I think the basic problem lies in what I posted earlier. Refs are instructed to err on the side of caution and hand out unnecessary roughness penalties even if they aren't 100% sure a penalty was committed.

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Rulebook aside, these two are one of my least favorite announcing crews out there. They put me to sleep.

One of the highlights of last year's Super Bowl was listening to Simms (right before the Porter interception of The Almighty that sealed the game) that "the Saints should not blitz here, the Jets tried to blitz and Peyton Manning owned them."

Then, of course, the Saints brought the house and we all know what happened. Then listening to Simms sit and spend 10 minutes backtracking about his obvious idiocy was priceless.
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Old 12-20-2010, 01:29 PM   #17
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Nantz is horrible...the worst going today.

Simms usually just loves calling games when Pittsburgh is behind and pointing out our mistakes.
Although he did call out a couple of the pass-interference plays that were not called against us. That said....he refused to elaborate on them, which he should have went more into. Those were blatant, game-changing "non-calls"

A couple of our biggest fanboys when announcing are Jon Gruden and suprisingly, Chris Collinsworth. If you don't think so, just listen to a game called by Simms/Nantz...then listen to a game Collinsworth calls and he praises us almost to a ridiculous point all game...even when we're losing. I think he's changed his tune...seemed like he used to hate us...now he loves us.
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Am I the only one who thinks these two are the biggest tools on the planet?

I have had it with the both of them apologizing for the League and never taking a position on anything.

After Clark's 15-yard penalty for what turned out to be just a really great football play, neither one of these dopes could bring themselves to say that this was just a bad call and a great play by Clark. Instead they went on forever about "launching", having one's helmet "in the vicinity of the head", the "spirit of the rule" and on and on and on.

Both of them are so afraid of risking their cushy "Big Market" status that they'd swear to agree that the sun rose in the West if that's what the League asked them to do. Nantz earlier said (after showing a replay of Philly's DeShaun Jackson's 65-yard game winning punt return) that Jackson cruising along the goal line for a bit before actually crossing it, "Was showboating" and that he thought that was "sad".

Has Nantz ever actually had ANY fun in his life?

I mean Jackson is a showboat and I won't argue that. But look what he just did - especially after initially muffing the punt. I think that given the way that game was played and how Philly fought back, a run of 65 yards through traffic to win was worth a bit of celebration and even some showboating.

After all, this is SUPPOSED to be entertainment, no?
My thoughts of Nantz and Simms is kind of the same, but different . . lol
I just hate to hear any announcer talk about a DB holding a WR and saying that it was a Good No Call. That is Garbage. The Hit by Clark was all OK until he decided to Launch Himself into the WR. It was a good call according to the Rules. I would like to know where about 3 different Holding Calls or Pass Interference Calls that should have been made on those Jets Corners . . they try things differently just to see what they can get away with thats for sure and they got away with it several times yesterday . . Its ok . . The Panthers are next and lets not overlook this team or the Brownies coming up in 2 weeks and we will No Matter what Anyone else does Have the No.2 Seed and a Bye Week to start the Playoffs.
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no we're gonna blame it on Nantz and Simms
that's just pitiful
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Old 12-20-2010, 03:11 PM   #20
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Am I the only one who thinks these two are the biggest tools on the planet?

I have had it with the both of them apologizing for the League and never taking a position on anything.

After Clark's 15-yard penalty for what turned out to be just a really great football play, neither one of these dopes could bring themselves to say that this was just a bad call and a great play by Clark. Instead they went on forever about "launching", having one's helmet "in the vicinity of the head", the "spirit of the rule" and on and on and on.

Both of them are so afraid of risking their cushy "Big Market" status that they'd swear to agree that the sun rose in the West if that's what the League asked them to do. Nantz earlier said (after showing a replay of Philly's DeShaun Jackson's 65-yard game winning punt return) that Jackson cruising along the goal line for a bit before actually crossing it, "Was showboating" and that he thought that was "sad".

Has Nantz ever actually had ANY fun in his life?

I mean Jackson is a showboat and I won't argue that. But look what he just did - especially after initially muffing the punt. I think that given the way that game was played and how Philly fought back, a run of 65 yards through traffic to win was worth a bit of celebration and even some showboating.

After all, this is SUPPOSED to be entertainment, no?
You got it buddy two pieces of crap "SALUTING" the Not FOR LONG LEague taking playing out of the game

I as you saw a big play hit from Clark which both of those two buffoons NOT DOCUMENTED should have taken issue with

instead our dope TV idiots saluted a BAD CALL

go Steelers and do keep trying to play the game as it was meant to be played.....because it seems the NFL wants to make this "DANCING WITH STARS PRISSY VERSION"
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