I think the NFL Vetoed Ben in Top 10 Steelers

[sharkweek]

Originally Posted by plenewken

I don't see why being better than these guys would make Ben a Top 10 Steelers and the top QB ever.

that's his point, the best Steelers QB of all time is Bradshaw who is mediocre at best when compared to the true great QBs.

the Steelers simply are not known for QB proficiency

Ben is already at least the #2 Steeler QB of all time and easily on track to usurp Bradshaw as the best Steeler QB of all time

[plenewken]

Originally Posted by sharkweek

that's his point, the best Steelers QB of all time is Bradshaw who is mediocre at best when compared to the true great QBs.

the Steelers simply are not known for QB proficiency

Ben is already at least the #2 Steeler QB of all time and easily on track to usurp Bradshaw as the best Steeler QB of all time

That's why I wrote earlier that Ben isn't the best Steelers QB ever yet. This means he is definitely on track to surpass Bradshaw in the future.

[smheart78]

1. In the modern era of free agency and the like, I can see the case made for Ben over Bradshaw, though I still wouldn't make that call yet.
2. What bothers me more, after watching the Dallas top 10, is that they put Tom Landry as the #1. They made a special case for him even though he's not a player. I can't help but to think why Chuck Noll isn't considered one of the all-time great coaches. Consider his longevity, changed the stature of the organization and most ever super-bowl wins, this irks me.

[Whodis]

Originally Posted by smheart78

1. In the modern era of free agency and the like, I can see the case made for Ben over Bradshaw, though I still wouldn't make that call yet.
2. What bothers me more, after watching the Dallas top 10, is that they put Tom Landry as the #1. They made a special case for him even though he's not a player. I can't help but to think why Chuck Noll isn't considered one of the all-time great coaches. Consider his longevity, changed the stature of the organization and most ever super-bowl wins, this irks me.

Because he didn't want to draft Marino?

[Third Rail]

Originally Posted by plenewken

I don't see why being better than these guys would make Ben a Top 10 Steelers and the top QB ever.

You said that he's not even a top Steelers QB. I'd like to know then, who the hell is, other than Bradshaw?

[4xSBChamps]

Originally Posted by smheart78

What bothers me more, after watching the Dallas top 10, is that they put Tom Landry as the #1. They made a special case for him even though he's not a player. I can't help but to think why Chuck Noll isn't considered one of the all-time great coaches. Consider his longevity, changed the stature of the organization and most ever super-bowl wins, this irks me.

since it's inception, the Crygirl franchise has always funneled credit for that team's success thru their front-office (Landry, Brandt, Schramm, Murchison) first, then down to the players (the current schmucktoid-owner takes that to new levels), while Noll insisted that the players, who have a shorter career & earning-potential, take the bows

when looking at the over-all history & glory of the Steeler organization (excluding the founding Rooney family), a case could (and should) be made that Charles Henry Noll is the single most-important person in the franchise's existence, becauses before the day that Dan Rooney hired Noll, the Steelers were the undisputed laughing-stock of the League:



since 27 January 1969, nobody has ever laughed at the Steelers again.

[Third Rail]

Whoa, they actually put Landry as the #1 Cowboy? WTF?

That really is ridiculous. If coaches were eligible, the Noll sure as hell should have been on our list, possibly as #1.

Why Noll doesn't seem to get the respect of guys like Landry, "The NFL's Man in the AssHat," and John "Admiral Obvious" Madden, never made any sense to me. He has a better Super Bowl record than either of those jerks... more than anyone else, for that matter (one of many reasons I hope that the Cheats choke in the postseason this year). I guess it's just because he wasn't a media ***** like some coaches (Hello, Rex Ryan) and his team was so talented overall. But you need a great coach to select the right talent and know how to use it... As great as all of our 70's Steelers were, many of them might not have been as successful on another team.

[plenewken]

Originally Posted by Third Rail

You said that he's not even a top Steelers QB. I'd like to know then, who the hell is, other than Bradshaw?

I wrote that Ben is not the top Steelers QB ever yet . Bradshaw is, IMO. I also wrote that Ben should pass Bradshaw in the future.

[Third Rail]

Oh, okay. Misunderstood. I thought you meant that he's not "a" top Steelers QB yet. I would definitely agree that he's not "the" top Steelers QB, though he could potentially surpass Terry if he keeps at it. That remains to be seen, however,

I do believe wholeheartedly though that Bradshaw benefited from being on a better overall team, whereas the current Steelers (and the Steelers that Ben won championships won with in 05 and 08) while, very good, do not come close to the the level of talent that was on the 70's team. Ben does have a little less to work with than Bradshaw, and his team does have to play within the confines of bullsh** NFL rules that were implemented in recent years.

[steeltheone]

Here we go...Bradshaw had a better team crap. He never gets the credit he deserves.