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Old 04-13-2006, 05:08 PM   #1
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Default trade out of 1st round for a 1st rounder next year

since i havnt seen no discussion on this topic i will say that denver looks pretty good with getting both a top 3 wr and rb in this years 1st round. last year dallas landed damarcus ware and the other dude. san diego got castillo and merriman and the patriots made this manuver work for them several years back when they gave their 1st rounder to baltimore to move ahead of us and take boller .

if the steelers find themselvs reaching for a player, or the best player on the board is someone they really dont need (say n. mangold is still there and a team like the jets or texans want to move up to grab him).

steelers would consider this, they consider many moves like this on draft day, but would they pull the trigger?
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cons- takes the wind out of the sails of the fans on draft day. winding up with a top 10 pick next year could be very expensive. we have too many needs in depth to address this year?

(not talking about an even swap. what else you think we could get for trading out?)
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Old 04-13-2006, 05:30 PM   #2
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Default Re: trade out of 1st round for a 1st rounder next year

If Mangold is there i think we have to take him... As you said, the Steelers are really in a great position to do whatever. We could trade our of first if a team wants a play and get two second round picks or an extra second and third or something. I just dont know if we will seince we dont have immediate needs so they may feel in position to make those first 3 draft picks count with solid players and no reaches.

I happen to like our WR core with Ward, Wilson. Morgan, Washington and my fifth would be Walter Young. Young is 6 4 220 Ward and wilson are not big but Morgan and Washington are decent size and young could be that goal line threat. We brought Wilson in for his speed so peaople saying he dont have receiver who can stetch the field i dont really understand. I would even keep Wilson as # 3 and move Morgan. young into # 2
Again, randle El stats 35 catches and 1 TD were pathetic for a # 2 and we still didnt really complain about his stats during year so i dont see any reason why we would need to spend a first on a guy who may not even be better than what we have already.


But will all be up in the air and the Steelers arent giving many hints.
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Old 04-13-2006, 06:03 PM   #3
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Default Re: trade out of 1st round for a 1st rounder next year

won't drafting mangold just make signing to okobi to an extension pointless???
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Old 04-14-2006, 08:40 AM   #4
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Default Re: trade out of 1st round for a 1st rounder next year

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I happen to like our WR core with Ward, Wilson. Morgan, Washington and my fifth would be Walter Young
Oh dear God please say you are joking. This is a disaster waiting to happen...if Ward (who is no kid anymore) were to go down, Cedric Wilson becomes a #1 receiver, and I can't envision a worse scenario. Morgan is inconsistent (Hell, the guy was cut from Cleveland), and we know practically nothing about Washington and Young.

As I stated before, having an elite quarterback almost becomes pointless if you don't surround him with the weapons needed to exploit his talent. The only saving grace to all this lies in the fact that we have a nice weapon at TE (and finally seem willing to use it) and Duce, Parker and Verron are all capable receivers out of the backfield.

WR is a top priority for this team, if not the top priority.

Also, Koop is right. Why would the Steelers tie up all that money in centers? I'm a lifelong OSU fan, and I know Mangold is good, but there are still a few questions surrounding him, so it's not like he's a sure bet or anything.
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Old 04-14-2006, 09:34 AM   #5
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Default Re: trade out of 1st round for a 1st rounder next year

so is there a wr there at #32 who would be able to step in and replace hines in the event of an injury? cause i agree that wr is probably our most glaring need. but with a trade of #32 we could possibly land a top 10-15 pick in next years draft to go along with our own #1 and address a top 1-3 wr then.

this is why i wanted e. moulds. sure hes old but so was jimmy smith 5 years ago.
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Old 04-14-2006, 10:00 AM   #6
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Default Re: trade out of 1st round for a 1st rounder next year

We need to upgrade at WR, no doubt. A center seems like a reach. Trading the first pick will probably never fly in the burgh. It is a good question though.
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so is there a wr there at #32 who would be able to step in and replace hines in the event of an injury? cause i agree that wr is probably our most glaring need. but with a trade of #32 we could possibly land a top 10-15 pick in next years draft to go along with our own #1 and address a top 1-3 wr then.

this is why i wanted e. moulds. sure hes old but so was jimmy smith 5 years ago.
I don't know...but I'm guessing there's a better chance of one being there at #32 then there will be at #64. First I heard that Holmes MAY have trouble seperating at the next level, but he is an excellent route runner, and is explosive, although he lacks elite speed. He's also a good blocker. 53 catches for 977 yards and 11 TD's in the tough Big 10 is nothing to scoff at. 5'11" 180-190 is smallish compared to Randy Moss, but is gigantic compared to Steve Smith.

I'm definitely wary of Chad Jackson after reading up on him. Although he has good size (6'1" 213), and looks good statistically in the off-season, there are a lot of questions about his experience, ability to block, and his 10.2 YPC is AWFUL (I think I read somewhere that almost 600 WR's had a better average than him last year).

I think the position I'm taking is if Santonio lasts through the middle of round one, we should try to move up and grab him...but I'm still debating this decision.
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Default Re: trade out of 1st round for a 1st rounder next year

I think Nate Washington could be a diamond in the rough for us..if he has a good camp and can land some decent playing time he could be a gem for us.. but having said that, there is little doubt we will look to get another WR or 2..atleast 1 on day 1 this draft. Possibly in a draft day trade????

Im ok with Hines and Cedric only because we have Heath at TE and Parker is a beast on the swing passes and dump offs across the middle..but to say that Im comfortable with our current WR's corp would be a lie. I'd really wanna see us get a veteran because we dont seem to have much luck with drafting WR's since Hines and El.
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Default Re: trade out of 1st round for a 1st rounder next year

holmes was on sirius yesterday and i was impressed when he said he molded his game after and looks up to t. holt, and m. harrison. how theyre kinda quiet and just go about their business. he seemed to be saying hes not into all the showboating and "look at me, look at me" mentality. im not really opposed to moving up or down in the draft cause we have so much flexibility to do both, or stand firm at 32. if the steelers did pull the trigger and move up i think theyd be just as sure about the player they moved up for as they were about polamalu.
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Default Re: trade out of 1st round for a 1st rounder next year

The nice thing about drafting a guy like Holmes over a Troy Edwards or even a Plaxico is that Holmes was consistent for 3 years (Edwards was drafted for one big game), he played against top notch opposition week in and week out (Edwards did not), and there's no knock against his work ethic (Burress already was known for taking plays off at MSU).
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