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Old 01-25-2011, 01:25 PM   #11
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I agree but before we overreact, first make sure Goodell knows about it. If he hears about it, I guarantee he will send out a memo.


There is a general race code of conduct that applies like in all professional businesses. Sure in the past, people got away with such things but times have changed...that's what makes us better and the past wrong.
Well obviously there is conduct policies for the NFL and teams and teams have the right to conduct their players however they wish within the general NFL rules.

I understand the whole double standard about racism towards white people, its been like that my whole life, you can't even bring it up without people pulling out the slavery card and all the troubles whitey has given to blacks. But thats not my point, my point is racism and such is part of trash tralk (whether you agree with it or not) which is allowed and it will never be regulated on the field to the point that people want it to be. Sure there will be warnings and refs will say stop it, and players usually obey the refs, but it wont stop. Even if players start getting fined and suspended over it, its just the emotions of the game. If it escaladed into a fight, someone would be in trouble, but as long as players just go "well F you" and walk back to their sideline, no one gets in trouble.

Off the field it is constantly regulated though. We see players fined for saying stupid things with the media, on twitter, or just anywhere that gets publicized. But I just don't see anyway it would be successful on the field.
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I understand the whole double standard about racism towards white people, its been like that my whole life, you can't even bring it up without people pulling out the slavery card and all the troubles whitey has given to blacks.
Actually. That's the part I'm not interested in. I'm not interested in people using this as an agenda/ platform for other tings they are feeling in society.

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my point is racism and such is part of trash tralk (whether you agree with it or not) which is allowed and it will never be regulated on the field to the point that people want it to be.
Here is where we disagree. Race need not be part of trash talking and we can stop it. It stops when you say it is wrong, send out a memo and use peer pressure with possible fines. These players have white friends on their teams so if their friends tell them they disagree with using it, it would make a difference too.

Once the memo is sent out, each coach should be responsible for managing his own players and any violations should be reported to the league. I don't think most use it so you can't let a few street thugs cast a shadow on all people in the league.
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Old 01-25-2011, 02:38 PM   #13
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don't care what they call him...he'd look good in the Black and Gold...that's all I know...watched him in College and he got buried on the Houston Nutt roster behind McFadden and Felix Jones...

seriously...Hillis, Jones and McFadden in the Backfield...sickest running game I've ever seen live.
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I agree. I know saying White Boy is not as bad as saying the N word. But still, as I said, if a White player refered to a African-American as Black Boy, you KNOW there would be a national outrage from the media. And since we played them twice, I hope no one on our team ever said that to him.

White Boy.
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Its the same exact thing and should be treated identically. The way it goes is that they'll look into the "black boy" thing more and on a higher level. Thats what promotes racism in the 1st place.
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White Boy.
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Its the same exact thing and should be treated identically. The way it goes is that they'll look into the "black boy" thing more and on a higher level. Thats what promotes racism in the 1st place.
BINGO.

I know racism is wrong, but trying to force people to not be racist and pretending it only goes one way (the hell is reverse racism?) does nothing to further anyone's cause. It only makes it worse.

Saying "the N word" is just as bad as saying ******. You automatically put the thought in someone's head whether you beat around the bush about it or flat out say it.

You aren't going to change anyones thoughts by fining them either. I would think if something racist were said on the field that knocking them down and making a huge play would hurt them more.

The whole sociological effort (that goes way beyond football) to make everyone equal in other people's minds will always fail miserably. You can not order people to think others are equal. It may sound harsh, but it's true. I'm not saying we should take away the equal rights the government has given to all people (based on sex, race, religion, whatnot)....I'm just saying that you're not going to change the way people actually think if they don't want to change the way they think.

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BINGO.



You aren't going to change anyones thoughts by fining them either. I would think if something racist were said on the field that knocking them down and making a huge play would hurt them more.

The whole sociological effort (that goes way beyond football) to make everyone equal in other people's minds will always fail miserably. You can not order people to think others are equal. It may sound harsh, but it's true. I'm not saying we should take away the equal rights the government has given to all people (based on sex, race, religion, whatnot)....I'm just saying that you're not going to change the way people actually think if they don't want to change the way they think.

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I think there is a difference between thoughts and actions. You can't control what someone thinks but you can control actions. Football is a professional sport so they need to act like professionals.

The difference is the actions/words are things that others have to deal with.

I think the sociological effort has been a huge success (but this depends on where you live). It is not perfect because people are not perfect but a lot of progress has been made. Even the not wanting to appear racist is good. There was a time when that was the popular thing. Peer pressure helped that. People want to be thought of as good and cool.
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I think there is a difference between thoughts and actions. You can't control what someone thinks but you can control actions. Football is a professional sport so they need to act like professionals.

The difference is the actions/words are things that others have to deal with.

I think the sociological effort has been a huge success (but this depends on where you live). It is not perfect because people are not perfect but a lot of progress has been made. Even the not wanting to appear racist is good. There was a time when that was the popular thing. Peer pressure helped that. People want to be thought of as good and cool.
No, I know...and I'm not saying that anybody should just go around and say whatever they want, but I just don't like the talk of having leagues owners or the NAACP step in and handle something like racial slurs being slung around.

It's just how I feel. I also think it should be legal for you to receive an ass kicking for making racial slurs to someone's face. That would stop more people from doing it than anything else.

I disagree with you about not wanting to appear racist. I think that's worse than actually stating how you feel. The North for a long time didn't want "to appear racist", but they were worse in some of their actions and laws than the South. If you don't like someone or something, just say it. Thinking and acting one way in front of a certain group and differently in front of another just makes you a hypocritical asshole. I'd rather know where someone stands from the get go....if that makes any sense.
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No, I know...and I'm not saying that anybody should just go around and say whatever they want, but I just don't like the talk of having leagues owners or the NAACP step in and handle something like racial slurs being slung around.

It's just how I feel. I also think it should be legal for you to receive an ass kicking for making racial slurs to someone's face. That would stop more people from doing it than anything else.

I disagree with you about not wanting to appear racist. I think that's worse than actually stating how you feel. The North for a long time didn't want "to appear racist", but they were worse in some of their actions and laws than the South. If you don't like someone or something, just say it. Thinking and acting one way in front of a certain group and differently in front of another just makes you a hypocritical asshole. I'd rather know where someone stands from the get go....if that makes any sense.




Mom I'm still not sure what point you are trying to make. I mean bottom line is that is I...as a caucasian player yelled accross the Line of scrimmage to a RB who was African-American and uttered,," Hey Black BOY!...You ain't gettin sh it against us "..
well Mom you Damn well know that would be lead story number one throughout the freaking nation. It would get more national pub then tonights " State of the Union Address " And if you don'y feel that way Mom, then you're not living in reality.


Also, even though the WORLD may not think so, but I say the word " Honky" is every bit as egregious as the " N " word. But, say that to a white player, or call a White RB
as a " White Boy "...and Zippo,,,nothing happens. Belive me Mom,,,it was the " Black Caucus of America " that got, or forced Goodell to suspend Ben. Cause they thought that their Hero...M.Vick was treated unfairly before he was ever convicted. It was Black pressure. But,,,any organazation that tried to PUSH these comments made against WHITE P.Hillis against certain BLACK player...won't be called anything other then a version of White Supremacy Mom.



And that is the Bottom line.
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Mom I'm still not sure what point you are trying to make. I mean bottom line is that is I...as a caucasian player yelled accross the Line of scrimmage to a RB who was African-American and uttered,," Hey Black BOY!...You ain't gettin sh it against us "..
well Mom you Damn well know that would be lead story number one throughout the freaking nation. It would get more national pub then tonights " State of the Union Address " And if you don'y feel that way Mom, then you're not living in reality.


Also, even though the WORLD may not think so, but I say the word " Honky" is every bit as egregious as the " N " word. But, say that to a white player, or call a White RB
as a " White Boy "...and Zippo,,,nothing happens. Belive me Mom,,,it was the " Black Caucus of America " that got, or forced Goodell to suspend Ben. Cause they thought that their Hero...M.Vick was treated unfairly before he was ever convicted. It was Black pressure. But,,,any organazation that tried to PUSH these comments made against WHITE P.Hillis against certain BLACK player...won't be called anything other then a version of White Supremacy Mom.



And that is the Bottom line.
I never said there wasn't a double standard. I don't know how you got that out of what I wrote.
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Mom, then you are saying that the league should take this as seriously as if it were a White player saying " Hey Black Boy!...right ? Then why no outrage from you ? Or the nation ?
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