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Old 02-12-2011, 04:45 PM   #1
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Before the Superbowl 45 ever kicked off. I posted on here that I have been a Steelers fan and a football fan in general since 73'. I predicted a Steeler loss in the Superbowl. I also stated after years of watching lines and mysterious calls I believe football to be as real as wrestling. Let me first say that the officiating was not very bad in this superbowl because it didn't have to be bad for the result they wanted. This is what makes the entire league look legit. I think as steelers fans, we can all agree Pitt was just not on their game this superbowl. However, if pitt had came to play I think ref interaction would have been in question. If nothing else before you write me off as a nutcase, look at the facts, In the last 3 superbowls prior to 45 the dog covered. Pitt- 7 over arizona, pitt wins does not cover. Ne - 13.5 over Giants, Giants win outright. Indy - 3 over NO saints, Saints win outright. So I saw this coming but shouldn't people be suspicious when a #6 seed is favored over a #2 seed? Either oddsmakers are just incredible at predicting the future or the winner is predetermined. It is that simple. Don't give oddsmakers too much credit. I have always been taught that were their is a lot of money involved, there is always a chance of things not being on the up and up if you know what I mean. I could give many example of crazy things that have happened in all sports that I believe were not just chance. But lets talk about the Saints for a sec, New Orleans entire history, they were losers..Hurricane wipes the entire place out including a billion dollar stadium. If this were lets say Pittsburgh or Dallas, 2 with great history and fans all over the country. Not really a problem, However it was New Orleans. So fans were not turning out in large numbers anyway, because they sucked!!! After the hurricane, lets calculate the chain of events. 1st they beat a few teams they shouldn't, most noted a one-time good team Carolina Panthers. Next, Saints do not have a stadium, so the following year they have all road games,this equals loss of revenue for saints. They win more than usual and actually look like a real team. New stadium built in New Orleans, Houston passes on Reggie Bush, New Orleans drafts him. Now I am not saying Bush is NFL mega-star but he served a purpose for New Orleans, He put asses in seats of the new stadium. All of the sudden NO is a playoff team, after a couple years of a winning team, New Orleans is rebuilt and OH mY they win a superbowl. Luck? maybe!!! total economic win for everyone? absolutely!! Vegas won money, the league in their best interest keeps a team in place and back on their feet, Saints owner and community- helped revenue tremendously. I have tried to follow this for years to see how far I think it goes. I personally believe the fix is in and by the league, owners, refs, and mofia are the only ones involved. This could happen and it kept a secret very easily. I do not believe coaches or players are involved or their would have been a leak by now...Big mouths like TOwens couldn't keep a secret. Do some research of Pitt-SD game in 2008, pitt was favored by 6. youtube the full version of the end of the game and judge for yourself.
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Old 02-12-2011, 04:56 PM   #2
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Sorry, I couldn't read all that. Paragraphs are your friend man. But yes, I still think your nuts. Vegas favored a Steelers win.


Packers' Super Bowl win takes big bite out of Vegas profit

Wed Feb 9, 2011 4:07pm EST
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TORONTO (Reuters) - Super Bowl gambling in Nevada rose 5.8 percent this year but the state's sports books made significantly less money as the favored Green Bay Packers defeated the Pittsburgh Steelers in Sunday's NFL title game.

The value of bets placed in Nevada's 183 sports books was $87.5 million, up from the $82.7 million wagered on last year's Super Bowl between the New Orleans Saints and Indianapolis Colts, according to the Nevada Gaming Control Board.

But the Packers, 2.5-point favorites at most casinos in Las Vegas, covered the spread with a 31-25 win over the Steelers.

That was not welcome news to Vegas casinos who were waving their "Terrible Towels" -- the black and gold dish towels that Pittsburgh's fan base are known for frantically waving during games -- in hopes of a bigger payday.

Sports books in Nevada kept a combined $724,176 from Super Bowl bets, or 0.83 percent of the total wagers placed, down 89 percent from the $6.9 million they pocketed last year when the underdog Saints triumphed over the Colts.

"That's the way it goes once in a while," Jay Rood, race and sports book director at MGM Resorts International, which operates 10 sports books on the Las Vegas Strip, told Reuters on Wednesday.

"We've had a pretty good run in the Super Bowls and every once in a while we're going to take one on the chin, but it wasn't anything devastating."

Rood, who said he had a glimmer of hope for a bigger payday for MGM when Pittsburgh pulled to within three points of Green Bay late in the game, admitted he has experienced worse results during Sundays of the NFL's regular season.

Other gambling options for the Super Bowl, including a slew of proposition bets, allowed casinos to still pocket some money despite the Packers victory.

Every year, the NFL's championship game creates a gambling frenzy in Nevada that is considered by some to be a bellwether for the broader U.S. economy.

While the value of bets wagered fell short of the record $94.5 million set five years ago when the Steelers beat the Seattle Seahawks, the Nevada Gaming Control Board took comfort in the fact that betting was up.

"It could have been a lot worse. After the game we were fearing it might have been a loss," said Mike Lawton, senior research analyst for the Nevada Gaming Control Board.

"We didn't win a lot of money but the good thing is wagers were up, so people came and spent money. We're not where we were in 2007 but we are starting to climb out of that hole and back up the mountain."
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I am trying not to write a book but to prove my point when talking about the lines, if GB-PITT were predetermined, they had to make GB the favorite for several reasons. There are a ton of pitt and GB fans so they figured at worst even money on the line and they needed a favorite to win so what better time than this superbowl. At gametime I watched the live ticker for vegas, 48% of the money was on GB-3, 52% of the money was on pitt +3, so vegas wins money by the favorite covering. This doesn't happen often because most gamblers play the favorite and this was a clear cut easy prediction for me as a handicapper. Notice I have not mentioned talent of either team because when it is all said and done, talent means nothing in the nfl. All teams are talented, a few calls by the ref mean all the difference. Correct or incorrect calls, the talent is so close that flags can make a huge difference n any game.
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professional bowlers are talented as well but they dont roll a 300 every game. do the refs play a part in that as well.

tiger woods is a very talented golfer but doesnt hit a hole in one on every shot.

baseball players are very talented but still cant bat better than .400. should we blame the umpires?

even the most talented pitcher in the world doesnt strike out every batter. umps as well?
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SCMOM, so you believe a newspaper article? trust me, I have been a handicapper for many years and vegas always wants people to think the public is getting the best of them because this attracts new gamblers. If the public was getting the best of vegas, how would they be in business? Just a little common sense goes a long way. Think I am nuts, I don't care. However, I am smart enough to know that newspapers and TV have us all brainwashed at least to a certain extent. Think what you will.
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Hello Tony,
I believe you are missing the point. Their are actually 2 games being played in every game. I am not talking about any player at any time. I do not question any pros talent, they are called a pro for a reason...even the non-superstar is a superstar, hence the word pro!!! The 2 games I am talking about is actual winning team of a game and then the pointspread winner!
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SCMOM, so you believe a newspaper article? trust me, I have been a handicapper for many years and vegas always wants people to think the public is getting the best of them because this attracts new gamblers. If the public was getting the best of vegas, how would they be in business? Just a little common sense goes a long way. Think I am nuts, I don't care. However, I am smart enough to know that newspapers and TV have us all brainwashed at least to a certain extent. Think what you will.
Ok, whatever guy. Nowhere in that article did I get the sense that the public EVER gets the best of Vegas, even when it doesn't get the result it wants. Quite the contrary. Especially when phrases like, "this happens every once in a while" and "we've had a pretty good run in Superbowls" are thrown around...after they still made some profit lol. They just wish they had made a bigger profit. If Vegas had it fixed, Steelers would have won...boosting bookies profits everywhere.

Hey, has Jesse Ventura convinced you that 2012 is real yet? Sorry to tell you, but brainwashing goes both ways.

Just stop watching the NFL then if you think it's fixed. What's the point otherwise?
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Hello Tony,
I believe you are missing the point. Their are actually 2 games being played in every game. I am not talking about any player at any time. I do not question any pros talent, they are called a pro for a reason...even the non-superstar is a superstar, hence the word pro!!! The 2 games I am talking about is actual winning team of a game and then the pointspread winner!
i definitely get that. please see below post-

smith, you seem to find yourself in quite a connundrum. perhaps you would be better off in your venture as a professional handicapper, if you seperated yourself form all emotion and severed any allegiances you may have with a particular team.

this seems to be an internal conflict that you are really struggling with.



otherwise people might think youre a bit loco.
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I am making these posts for awareness only, I have nothing to gain and actually have been upset over this for some time because of my love for the game in general. If I had the time I can show thousands of examples for 1995 to present. Unfortunately, only gamblers can see a trend of things that have and will continue to happen. To the fan a call is just a call, example a pitt fan watching the PITT-SD game in 2008 says pitt won a close game 11-10, a gambler says this is bullshit pitt was cheated, they should have won 18-10 and covered the spread. An obvious bad call by the refs on a Polamalu TD kept pitt from covering. This was no accident and obvious...this particular game stands out because it was so obvious. 5 minutes after the game the refs admit they made a mistake, however they took 15 minutes trying to take the TD of the board and discussing the call. It is on youtube, watch the full version to see exactly what happened
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