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Old 02-12-2011, 10:16 PM   #1
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Default Expect teams to study, copy Packers' plan of attack vs. Steelers

Expect teams to study, copy Packers' plan of attack vs. Steelers
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* By Pat Kirwan NFL.com
* Senior Analyst


This year's Super Bowl could be the most revealing of all, because the two defensive coordinators knew each other so well. They had to have shared some secrets about their scheme with their offensive coordinators down the hall. The end result just might be a blueprint for attacking the famous zone blitz scheme that wreaks havoc on so many teams.

I recently spoke with an NFL offensive coordinator and we discussed how the Packers' offensive plan against the Steelers might have taught all of us about how to attack that defense. Granted, having a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers makes everything look easier than it really is, but the concepts Green Bay employed will no doubt become a major part of playing the Steelers in the future. Phil Simms, who broke down the coaches' tape, told me, "the Packers really didn't do a lot of different things in the game. They simply spread their offense out and ran about three different pass plays and it worked."

As a former NFL head coach explained, "the Spread offense is here to stay in the NFL, especially after what the Packers got done in the Super Bowl. And quarterbacks like Cam Newton and Blaine Gabbert are headed to the NFL next year with 'spread' offense experience which will only perpetuate the spread in pro football."

The spread offense has a few formational variations and the Packers used them all. They employed a "3 by 2" empty principle with Rodgers in the shotgun, three receivers to one side of the field and two receivers to the other side. They used a '4 by 1' principle with four receivers to one side and a single receiver opposite. They used a single back in the backfield occasionally and they started the game out in shotgun with a running back and a tight end in the backfield for protection reasons. There were reasons for all those variations, but the philosophy was all the same and that was to isolate Steeler defenders.

Keep in mind, these teams played in 2009 with the same quarterbacks and defensive coordinators and that game had 73 points scored, 100 pass plays called and over 1,000 yards of offense. The Super Bowl saw 87 pass plays called and 56 points scored. Most of the offensive damage, especially by the Packers, was from the shotgun. Green Bay ran 29 plays from the shotgun formation, and run just once, while getting sacked once. The Steelers just couldn't get enough pressure on Rodgers.

Pittsburgh doesn't have great cornerbacks and relies on its pressure scheme to disrupt the QB before he can get after the defensive backs.
Green Bay isolated all of the defensive backs and in many situations loosened up the outside linebackers just enough that the passes were away before James Harrison or LaMarr Woodley could get home. William Gay, Bryant McFadden and even Troy Polamalu were all on islands against capable receivers like Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, James Jones and Donald Driver.

Rodgers didn't really even have to use his feet to scramble and run for first downs like he had done in the previous playoff games. I agree with Trent Dilfer, who told me, "If the Packer receivers just held on to the slant routes Aaron stuck in there, he would have easily thrown for over 400 yards."

The Packers set a record for the fewest rushing attempts by a team to win a Super Bowl and they might have locked in on the only way to move the ball against the mighty Steeler defense. Phil Simms thought the simplicity of the spread pass attack made it easy for Rodgers to get the ball out of his hand. I was impressed with the fact Rodgers targeted 10 different receivers. The spread made it tough for the Steelers to get after Rodgers and as Brad Childress, the former Vikings head coach said to me, "there was a time when teams thought of using spread empty sets four or five times a game, but that number is certainly on the rise."

Dick LeBeau knew going into this game that Aaron Rodgers had the best passer rating (89) in the regular season against pressure calls. He also knew, however, that if he sat back and played coverage, he would see the guy with the 103 rating, so he went with his plan.

The problem was that when he looked at the NFC Championship Game against the Bears, he saw a Packer offense that used a lot of two-back sets with a very conservative pass attack.

It wasn't until the 19th pass play in Chicago that the Packers went to the spread and hit Jordy Nelson down the seam. That turned out to be a quick glimpse at what Mike McCarthy had in mind for the Steelers from the beginning of the game. Now you have to wonder how many teams are going to change their approach to playing the Steelers in 2011.
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Old 02-12-2011, 10:22 PM   #2
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Default Re: Expect teams to study, copy Packers' plan of attack vs. Steelers

We didnt play well in Chicago and Philly offensively but look at how we performed on turf in Atlanta and in the super bowl. We really should just play in a dome lol.
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Old 02-12-2011, 10:36 PM   #3
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Default Re: Expect teams to study, copy Packers' plan of attack vs. Steelers

i don't understand the point... The Steelers defense might be a tweak different next year esp. if we draft CB like some experts are saying we would... then again, there might be a new OL guy who will be an expertise at run blocking allowing Mendenhall to run lights outs...

There's a lot of scenarios that might happen to render this idea pointless...

The wisest thing to say is wait till next season and see what their best plan of attack will be...
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Old 02-12-2011, 10:56 PM   #4
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There's a lot of scenarios that might happen to render this idea pointless...
Exactly. ^^

It's a little too early to start game planning.
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Old 02-12-2011, 11:03 PM   #5
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Default Re: Expect teams to study, copy Packers' plan of attack vs. Steelers

I think the Steelers were exposed early this year on that subject. Other defense's been burning Gay for to long....Need i say more.
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"the Packers really didn't do a lot of different things in the game. They simply spread their offense out and ran about three different pass plays and it worked."
The article to me reads that in order to beat the 3-4 D you need to run the spread offense.

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Default Re: Expect teams to study, copy Packers' plan of attack vs. Steelers

This is absolutley nothing NEW. This approach and mindset has been broken down and highly successful ever since Tom Brady and the Patriots landed the blue-print on how to spread a Steelers defense out in 2002 and Rich Gannon and the Oakland Raiders followed suite the next week.

What, all of a sudden everyone will now realize that the Steelers have trouble against pass-happy teams? This philosophy doesn't always work, you have to have the right attack and personal to use it against us, like New England does. If not, we can adjust to it. We were just down way to heavily, 21-3 against Green Bay to really pull it off and gave Rodgers a short field to be successful to make their fortunes better off within the realm of our own turnovers.
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Old 02-13-2011, 12:14 AM   #8
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The article to me reads that in order to beat the 3-4 D you need to run the spread offense.

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3-4 in general has nothing to do with a weak seconday. if the Steelers had better Corners then you wouldn't be able to spread them out.
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Default Re: Expect teams to study, copy Packers' plan of attack vs. Steelers

Any defense will have trouble with this type of offense, especially when the game is played in optimum weather conditions. The rules are such that the defense is at a huge disadvantage. Unless you get just a lights out pass rush or play the wr's very physically off the los, the d will be in for a very long day.
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Default Re: Expect teams to study, copy Packers' plan of attack vs. Steelers

Any good QB'd team (Roges, Brady, Brees) is going to take us to the cleaners and if anything, next time we face them, they will pass even MORE. Expect 50 + times in the air every game, at minimum.
That said....playing against Flacco was a good example....word was that he was "going to spread the field" too, but he gets nervous under pressure and doesn't perform as well as the previously mentioned 3, and we were able to make a better showing.
Defensive coordinators of the day have their work cut out for them. I would expect new ideas and shemes on the D side of the ball (not just Pittsburgh).
Still......fully expect the teams even w/out the top elite QB's to throw against Pittsburgh. And throw...and throw...and throw.....and throw.
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