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Old 02-16-2011, 06:55 PM   #11
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Default Re: So, is Tomlin a liar?

What? If you were a better coach, you'd have been hired by now.

No, I'm not saying you can't comment, but seriously dude, you're being unreasonable. I want a strong FB too, but show me one power running team? Anyone? Anyone?

Steven Jackson and Turner are two close ones, with teams who NEEDED a QB and aerial attack. That being BRadford and Ryan respectively. Alas, don't forget Redman, he has power. But HYBRID is the main thing now a days, on both sides of the ball.

Two Superbowls in 4 years of coach and you bitch?
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Old 02-16-2011, 07:07 PM   #12
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"There's not a fullback on the roster," Bruce Arians declared three days before the Steelers opened the 2009 season. "There's a running back who plays fullback, a tight end who plays fullback. I don't have a fullback. There's no fullback in my offense, there's never going to be one."



Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10122...#ixzz1EApuExr2

Since we have Arians another year, don't expect there to be an actual FB (ala Rocky Bleier or Merril Hoge).
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Old 02-16-2011, 07:56 PM   #13
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And if they draft one, is he a liar? And if we get someone who is talented at both FB and TE, but plays TE, does it matter?
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Here ya go:

When he first became head coach there was a story,
about the posters in his office depicting Steeler glory.
His most prominently-placed picture was of a power rushing goal line play,
up the middle amongst the fray.

Tomlin said he liked it best because without a doubt, is what he
thinks football, and Steeler football, is all about.

All that being said,
why would he keep an OC who doesn't give head,
or feel the need, to have a FB that defenses would dread?
It's not because of the salary cap. That is totally crap.

Power football is usually accompanied with a FB and if not,
you usually at least have a FB that has a roster spot.
If you believe in power football thats nasty and mean,
why is Arians still OC of this team?

His philosophies do not mesh with Pgh or Tomlin before or now - or at least with
what Tomlin SAYS anyhow.

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Here ya go:

When he first became head coach there was a story,
about the posters in his office depicting Steeler glory.
His most prominently-placed picture was of a power rushing goal line play,
up the middle amongst the fray.

Tomlin said he liked it best because without a doubt, is what he
thinks football, and Steeler football, is all about.

All that being said,
why would he keep an OC who doesn't give head,
or feel the need, to have a FB that defenses would dread?
It's not because of the salary cap. That is totally crap.

Power football is usually accompanied with a FB and if not,
you usually at least have a FB that has a roster spot.
If you believe in power football thats nasty and mean,
why is Arians still OC of this team?

His philosophies do not mesh with Pgh or Tomlin before or now - or at least with
what Tomlin SAYS anyhow.
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Really? I'm not sure I know what the Steelers offensive identity is. One thing is pretty clear, Arians doesn't attack an opponent's weakness. Which makes sense because we see game planning that seem to fall right into the opponent's strengths, totally disregard weather and obviously doesn't consider field position.

But I will agree that Arians did have the deck stacked against him this year with all of crap that went down (QB issues, injuries, inexperienced WRs) and yet they still made the SB.
The Steelers lack identity because they are trying to transition but we STILL do pound the rock more-so than the passing ratio in many cases. When Ben was out, the Steelers were one of the teams atop the league in rushing. Common sense tells you that with Ben now in the lineup as our healthy franchise and entering his 7th season in the league and in his PRIME, to expand the offense around him and make him go downfield more often but still stick true to the run game.

We just have to find that happy medium that works. Arians system isn't flawed, it's his situational garbage. It's fixable.
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Doesn't a good running game need a great line? and a great running game need a phenomenal line? Do we have either one of these? Hmmm?

I mean 50 other threads on this board say we have 5 scoops of cottage cheese for an offensive line.
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Doesn't a good running game need a great line? and a great running game need a phenomenal line? Do we have either one of these? Hmmm?

I mean 50 other threads on this board say we have 5 scoops of cottage cheese for an offensive line.
Right on! Our running game will improve when we have more consistancy on our O Line. The days of the big slober knocking fullback are gone in the NFL. A hybrid type is a bit fit in mot offenses, including ours. Redman can fill that role if neccesary. I think Johnson does a decent enough job (although he misses the odd block) Keeping a FB on the roster for the sake of having 1 reduces the options available. In short yardage we usually have been bringing in a back up OL to hit the point of attack, that works well. If we can get a FB who can do more than just block and be a glorified guard go get one, but those players are very hard to come by and usually cost more than they would be worth.
I would be interested to see what we can do offensively with a healthy OL and improvement at the right guard position. My guess is we could be a very good O, even with brucey calling the plays.
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Well a lot of teams are also utilizing the athleticism of their defensive players, and why not? Those dlinemen and linebackers are big angry guys. Could you imagine running the ball behind Casey Hampton? I know he doesn't move the fastest but how could he not create momentum if not a hole?
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Doesn't a good running game need a great line? and a great running game need a phenomenal line? Do we have either one of these? Hmmm?

I mean 50 other threads on this board say we have 5 scoops of cottage cheese for an offensive line.
The offensive line deserves more credit being that not one line rotation stuck all year, let alone 5 or 6 of them if your name wasn't Flozell Adams and Pouncey and even they missed time here and there. The O-line did exceptionally well this year, esp pass-blocking. Ben's sack numbers were way down on his average. If we can stay healthy enough during the coarse of the season then I don't see why this group couldn't have an even better year next season (if there is one)
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