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Old 02-17-2011, 05:42 AM   #21
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The offensive line deserves more credit being that not one line rotation stuck all year, let alone 5 or 6 of them if your name wasn't Flozell Adams and Pouncey and even they missed time here and there. The O-line did exceptionally well this year, esp pass-blocking. Ben's sack numbers were way down on his average. If we can stay healthy enough during the coarse of the season then I don't see why this group couldn't have an even better year next season (if there is one)
Don't get me wrong, I was not being critical of the line- it's other jokesters on here. I think we have a fine running game, one that other teams respect. I mean he averaged 3.9 yards a run (and if you're doing your math at home, 3 runs at 3.9 yards a carry is 11.7 yards (aka 1st down) [note: I know average doesn't mean he runs that every time]. He ran for over 70 yards 9 times (3 of them being when Ben was out and the 4th week of Ben's absense it was 69 yards). Injuries plagued this O-line but when they were fresh in the beginning of the season, Mendy put up big yards (including that run in OT vs. the Falcons).
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Old 02-17-2011, 07:23 AM   #22
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Here ya go:

When he first became head coach there was a story,
about the posters in his office depicting Steeler glory.
His most prominently-placed picture was of a power rushing goal line play,
up the middle amongst the fray.

Tomlin said he liked it best because without a doubt, is what he
thinks football, and Steeler football, is all about.

All that being said,
why would he keep an OC who doesn't give head,
or feel the need, to have a FB that defenses would dread?
It's not because of the salary cap. That is totally crap.

Power football is usually accompanied with a FB and if not,
you usually at least have a FB that has a roster spot.
If you believe in power football thats nasty and mean,
why is Arians still OC of this team?

His philosophies do not mesh with Pgh or Tomlin before or now - or at least with
what Tomlin SAYS anyhow.
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Old 02-17-2011, 09:09 AM   #23
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Since we have Arians another year, don't expect there to be an actual FB (ala Rocky Bleier or Merril Hoge).
I'm not looking for a Bleier or Hoge. I'm looking for a Lester, Witman, Kreider. I want someone who has experience blowing up defenders at the point of attack. Not converted TEs who tend to miss two defenders on one play in the Super Bowl.

I do have to say that I love seeing Legursky playing FB on goalline plays. That works for me.
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Old 02-17-2011, 09:20 AM   #24
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And if they draft one, is he a liar?
No, he's evolving his style and learning on the job. Takes a big man to admit something else might work better than the original plan. That is why Lebeau is in the HOF and Arians will have to pay admission to walk through.

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And if we get someone who is talented at both FB and TE, but plays TE, does it matter?
Not if they can bury defenders with crushing blocks (eg: like Kreider used to bury Ray Lewis). I don't care what job title you give the player as long as the job gets done. I will admit that David Johnson has done a better job as a lead blocker this year, but he still needs improvement to ensure consistent short yardage running.
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And if they draft one, is he a liar? And if we get someone who is talented at both FB and TE, but plays TE, does it matter?
That player does not exist. TEs are tall. Tall = shit at rush blocking
out of the backfield. It's not even close. A real FB is 6' tops, built
stocky. That is a real blocking FB, not some TE trying to be one.
Kreider was 5-11, 250 lbs. Now __ that's __ a true FB.
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No, he's evolving his style and learning on the job. Takes a big man to admit something else might work better than the original plan. That is why Lebeau is in the HOF and Arians will have to pay admission to walk through.

Not if they can bury defenders with crushing blocks (eg: like Kreider used to bury Ray Lewis). I don't care what job title you give the player as long as the job gets done. I will admit that David Johnson has done a better job as a lead blocker this year, but he still needs improvement to ensure consistent short yardage running.
A TE will NEVER be as good as a blocker as a legit FB. They
are too tall. Legit FB are rarely over 6' - Kreider used to abuse
Ray Lewis and he was 5-11", 250 lbs. Arians arrogant refusal
to have a FB on the roster is total bull shit.
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Now __ that's __ a true FB.
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Ray Lewis and he was 5-11", 250 lbs.
thats just a myth, legend, and fan lore.

sure there is a highlight or 2 of kreider pancaking lewis, but the ravens routinely held ALL teams leading rushers to under a 100 yards, including the heralded dan, and the steam rolling bus.
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That player does not exist. TEs are tall. Tall = shit at rush blocking
out of the backfield. It's not even close. A real FB is 6' tops, built
stocky. That is a real blocking FB, not some TE trying to be one.
Kreider was 5-11, 250 lbs. Now __ that's __ a true FB.
Hynoski, from PITT

6'2" 260 position = FULLBACK
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6'2" 260 position = FULLBACK
So Hynoski is a proven lead blocker in the NFL?
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