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Old 02-24-2011, 06:26 PM   #11
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Not to mention that the fellow who actually composed the U.S. Constitution, Gouverneur Morris, was - you guessed it - gay. A homo. As queer as a three shilling note.
That would tickle me if it were true, but do you have something to support that statement? Everything I've ever read on him points to the notion that he was a womanizer on the scale of Tiger Woods.
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Old 02-25-2011, 04:29 AM   #12
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is that why the conthstitution readths with a lithsp?
No, thatsth becauthe there were Thpaniardth involved in writing it.


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That would tickle me if it were true, but do you have something to support that statement? Everything I've ever read on him points to the notion that he was a womanizer on the scale of Tiger Woods.
I will get my investigative gears a'turning. I could swear it was mentioned either in the Farrand book on the Framers, or as a side note in Zinn's History.
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Old 02-25-2011, 10:12 AM   #13
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According to... ?
God's Word. The Bible.
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Old 02-25-2011, 11:56 AM   #14
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God's Word. The Bible.
And where exactly does the Bible fit into the Constitution? I could of sworn I read something about it in there.....
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God's Word. The Bible.
Exactly. Which is not the Constitution. The founding fathers purposefully left out any endorsements of religion in the Constitution. If the Bible was meant to be the law of the land, don't you think they would have made some mention of it? Point being, I don't know how this is disrespectful to our Constitution or why the founders of this country would be rolling in their graves.
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And where exactly does the Bible fit into the Constitution? I could of sworn I read something about it in there.....
It's in Article Eight, which renders the preceding seven subject to review at any time by any sufficiently offended clergy members. Not many people know about Article Eight, but then most Americans haven't read past the third word of their Supreme Law.
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It's in Article Eight, which renders the preceding seven subject to review at any time by any sufficiently offended clergy members. Not many people know about Article Eight, but then most Americans haven't read past the third word of their Supreme Law.
Damn it... I was content with "Hasta La Vista!" I'll start putting the "baby" in there for good measure.
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God's Word. The Bible.
Would it be fair to say that the Koran, the Talmud, the Torah, the Book of the Dead are all God's word too? They were all divinely inspired as well.
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Would it be fair to say that the Koran, the Talmud, the Torah, the Book of the Dead are all God's word too? They were all divinely inspired as well.
Sometimes I feel like the magazine I read while I'm on the porcelain throne is divinely inspired.
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God's Word. The Bible.
seperation from church and state , which is what our " founding fathers " wanted , not only means "freedom of religion " , but freedom FROM religion .
if our founding fathers are rolling in their grave over anything , it would be for the way our government is subsidizing churches by giving them tax exempt status , which forces the citizens to pick up the slack.

here's some quotes from some of our founding fathers...
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"When a Religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its Professors are obliged to call for help of the Civil Power, it is a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one." - Benjamin Franklin (from a letter to Richard Price, October 9, 1780;)
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"I have examined all the known superstitions of the word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth."

"Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. ...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus."

"The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.


Jefferson's word for the Bible? "Dunghill."
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"I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible)."
"Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible)."

"It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible."

"Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins...and you will have sins in abundance."

And; "The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty."
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"What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy."
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"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?"

Just six years after the First Amendment became an official part of the Constitution, the U.S. Senate read (in the English language) and ratified a treaty with Tripoli which included in Article 11 the following assertion: "The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion" (John Adams, 1797, Hunter Miller, ed., Treaties and other International Acts, 2:365).
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