Gov't drops defense of anti-gay marriage law

[SteelersinCA]

Bravo MOP.

[Steelboy84]

Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets

seperation from church and state , which is what our " founding fathers " wanted , not only means "freedom of religion " , but freedom FROM religion .
if our founding fathers are rolling in their grave over anything , it would be for the way our government is subsidizing churches by giving them tax exempt status , which forces the citizens to pick up the slack.

here's some quotes from some of our founding fathers...

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, "Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."


"It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man."


"The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on nothing; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing and admits of no conclusion."


"No falsehood is so fatal as that which is made an article of faith."


"Of all the tyrannies that afflict mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst. Every other species of tyranny is limited to the world we live in, but this attempts a stride beyond the grave and seeks to pursue us into eternity."


"What is it the New Testament teaches us? To believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married; and the belief of this debauchery is called faith."


"The Bible: a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalise mankind."


"The Christian system of religion is an outrage on common sense."


"The Bible is a book that has been read more, and examined less, than any book that ever existed."


"Priests and conjurors are of the same trade."


"The story of the redemption will not stand examination. That man should redeem himself from the sin of eating an apple by committing a murder on Jesus Christ, is the strangest system of religion ever set up."


--Thomas Paine

[ricardisimo]

I think it's time for some Nietzsche, as long as we're gang-tackling...

In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point.

The very word "Christianity" is a misunderstanding — in truth, there was only one Christian, and he died on the cross.

I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time.

After coming into contact with a religious man I always feel I must wash my hands.

Is man one of God's blunders? Or is God one of man's blunders?

A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.

"Faith" means not wanting to know what is true.

And finally, for those who would have the state dictate lifestyles (or anything else) to us...

Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.

[SteelersinCA]

Bravo Ric.

[zulater]

Originally Posted by ricardisimo

Not to mention that the fellow who actually composed the U.S. Constitution, Gouverneur Morris, was - you guessed it - gay. A homo. As queer as a three shilling note.

Did he smoke doobie and make it with his male slaves?

[ricardisimo]

Originally Posted by zulater

Did he smoke doobie and make it with his male slaves?

Is there any doubt? These guys knew how to live large. He was also very witty, great with his money, and lived in an adorable converted loft in a regentrified section of Queens (where else?) where he restored antique furniture that the straights were stupidly throwing away.

[hicksfan]

Originally Posted by caplovestroyp43

This is just wrong, wrong, wrong. Marriage = 1 man, 1 woman.

if you're going to keep in in that perspective, keep it in the FULL perspective of that time. marriage = man owning a woman. but since we've evolved from that frame of mind there's no rational argument that rings true as to not allowing someone to marry whoever they truly love regardless of gender.

[hicksfan]

Originally Posted by caplovestroyp43

God's Word. The Bible.

who does god morally allow an intersexual to have relationship with? i missed that meeting.