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Old 02-26-2011, 12:16 PM   #11
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Default Re: Harris: Taylor loss could cripple Steelers

F--k this Harris guys. He is fear mongering. We would not be in
desperation even if we lose Ike. It just means we will draft a CB
early and we would be fine. Ike was a 4th round pick, and a nice
sleeper pick for what we ended up with. But don't try to act like
the Steeler world will end if we lose him. He's decent, not top
shelf. And, they are working hard on a deal right now. But this Harris
guys is trying to paint a picture of the sky falling and I ain't buying it.

Look at these guys.

1. Patrick Peterson, LSU Tigers- The prototype of an elite NFL cornerback. Height, bulk, speed, and physicality. - No sense in discussing; he'll be long gone

2. Brandon Harris, Miami Hurricanes- Physical against the run and great coverage skills in man coverage. - will be gone

3. Jimmy Smith, Colorado Buffaloes- Needs to become more physical and get lower on tackles. Best man-to-man coverage corner in the draft and jumps routes well. - gone

4. Aaron Williams, Texas Longhorns- The best talent out of the big three cornerbacks from Texas. Some consistency questions surround him. - possible
5. Davon House, New Mexico State Aggies- We love this kid's game. Plays well against the run, pass, and is a solid tackler. Could move higher after combine - solid option.
6. Brandon Burton, Utah Utes- Impressive on film shutting down Pitt's standout wide receiver, Jonathan Baldwin. - shut down Baldwin. He could fill in nicely.

7. Kendric Burney, North Carolina Tar Heels- Has to become more consistent. Shows his ability to be a top cornerback, but looks awful on the next play. - no thanks
8. Ras-I Dowling, Virginia Cavaliers- Big, physical corner that can abuse receivers at the line. Has to cut out mental mistakes. - good raw talent
9. Rashad Carmichael, Virginia Tech Hokies- Another talented cornerback in the long line of talented Virginia Tech corners (Deangleo Hall, Brandon Flowers, etc). - this dog will hunt
10. Curtis Brown, Texas Longhorns- Concerned about him being one of those players that looked better because of who they played with.

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Old 02-26-2011, 02:13 PM   #12
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Default Re: Harris: Taylor loss could cripple Steelers

i doubt there is a any CB we will draft that will start our 1st year so we pretty much screwed if we lose Taylor. there is no way a rookie picked at the end of the 1st will play as well as Ike his 1st year so your looking at Gay and Mcfadden starting and we already know what that will be like
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i doubt there is a any CB we will draft that will start our 1st year so we pretty much screwed if we lose Taylor. there is no way a rookie picked at the end of the 1st will play as well as Ike his 1st year so your looking at Gay and Mcfadden starting and we already know what that will be like
No way would I make this assumption. CBs can play as rookies
if they are good enough and this draft is very deep with CB talent.
Joe Haden had a fine year on a horrible Browns team. Without
much talent around him, or pass rush, he did fine, rookie or not.
And Pgh led the league in sacks last year, returning all parties,
so it would be much easier to play well at CB on this team.

Devin McCourtney had 7 picks as a rookie in NE last year. What
was wrong with that? He was a rookie too. I could go on and on
but you get the point. Pgh could very well draft a rookie who could
start next year. I know they don't prefer to roll that way, but if
we lose Ike, we might not have a choice. But this is all moot:
they will have a deal with Ike.
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Default Re: Harris: Taylor loss could cripple Steelers

I think Harris is just fear-mongering like THUMPER said. Hasn't Ike already expressed multiple times that he plans to retire in Pittsburgh, even at a hometown discount?

Maybe they did not attach the transition tag to him, because it is not necessary. Besides, the way the CBA negotiations are going, there might not even be a free agency period this offseason.
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As I have stated before ,Ike Taylor is just a slightly above average corner and yes we could do alot worse,but I dont feel as if the Steelers or any other Nfl team should pay some foolish amount of money to keep him.
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If we lose Taylor we better go after a big name free agent (not necessarily Nnamdi but SOMEBODY who has had success starting at CB) AND draft a first or early second round CB. Hell I say do both even if we do keep Taylor but if we lose him we have no other option if we want to make a run this year.

Crezdon Butler looks promising and could maybe step up (although it does bug me how he wasn't even activated most of the time as a rookie if his coverage skills are supposedly so good) and maybe even that Donovan Warren guy could do something but otherwise for the most part we are SCREWED at CB, unless we get an established free agent we are relying on a lot of faith next year (hoping Butler and a rookie pan out) at the position.

I do think Ike is a tad overrated by Steelers fans but at the same time he IS the only thing we have that resembles an above-mediocre cornerback, at least the only one that has seen playing time. Gay and Mcfadden starting would be a tragedy, and although a rookie is needed I'm not too keen on starting one either, rookie CB's need a year or two to work out their kinks.
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If we lose Taylor we better go after a big name free agent (not necessarily Nnamdi but SOMEBODY who has had success starting at CB) AND draft a first or early second round CB. Hell I say do both even if we do keep Taylor but if we lose him we have no other option if we want to make a run this year.

Crezdon Butler looks promising and could maybe step up (although it does bug me how he wasn't even activated most of the time as a rookie if his coverage skills are supposedly so good) and maybe even that Donovan Warren guy could do something but otherwise for the most part we are SCREWED at CB, unless we get an established free agent we are relying on a lot of faith next year (hoping Butler and a rookie pan out) at the position.

I do think Ike is a tad overrated by Steelers fans but at the same time he IS the only thing we have that resembles an above-mediocre cornerback, at least the only one that has seen playing time. Gay and Mcfadden starting would be a tragedy, and although a rookie is needed I'm not too keen on starting one either, rookie CB's need a year or two to work out their kinks.
Crezdon Butler is the best Steelers corner.
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Crezdon Butler is the best Steelers corner.
Exactly, I always here he is the best cover corner we have. Yet, why was he deactivated nearly the ENTIRE year last year? Not saying he should have been starting but surely it would be better to have him at least activated if he's such a good talent, but he never even saw special teams time, he didn't even dress except for like 3 games all season long. Just saying I feel like there was some problem we don't know about with him.
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No way would I make this assumption. CBs can play as rookies
if they are good enough and this draft is very deep with CB talent.
Joe Haden had a fine year on a horrible Browns team. Without
much talent around him, or pass rush, he did fine, rookie or not.
And Pgh led the league in sacks last year, returning all parties,
so it would be much easier to play well at CB on this team.

Devin McCourtney had 7 picks as a rookie in NE last year. What
was wrong with that? He was a rookie too. I could go on and on
but you get the point. Pgh could very well draft a rookie who could
start next year. I know they don't prefer to roll that way, but if
we lose Ike, we might not have a choice. But this is all moot:
they will have a deal with Ike.
i never said rookie CB's cant start. I said they wont start for DL's defense. i also said that there was no way we would pick a CB at the end of the 1st round that would instantly play as well as Ike.

as for McCourtney, he was picked 27th which was late and hopefully we get as lucky as the Pats and find a gem like him but it dosnt happen often.

Haden had a great year like you said but he was picked 7 overall and we dont pick till 31st

all im saying is its doubtful the steelers will play a rookie his 1st year and losing Ike will really hurt. everyone here seems to think Butler is our best corner on our team and he only dressed 3 games last season
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No way would I make this assumption. CBs can play as rookies
if they are good enough and this draft is very deep with CB talent.
Joe Haden had a fine year on a horrible Browns team. Without
much talent around him, or pass rush, he did fine, rookie or not.
And Pgh led the league in sacks last year, returning all parties,
so it would be much easier to play well at CB on this team.

Devin McCourtney had 7 picks as a rookie in NE last year. What
was wrong with that? He was a rookie too. I could go on and on
but you get the point. Pgh could very well draft a rookie who could
start next year. I know they don't prefer to roll that way, but if
we lose Ike, we might not have a choice. But this is all moot:
they will have a deal with Ike.
Yeah rookie cb's can play good, no one is saying they can't. We all know however, that we won't see a rookie cb start for us unless there's injury or unless he's an extremely special player(which probably won't happen with Pick No.31).
Face it, if we lose Ike, we're most likely looking at Gay and Mcfadden as our starters...
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