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Old 02-26-2011, 05:13 PM   #11
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Default Re: Who Should the Pittsburgh Steelers Blame for All These Sacks?

the stats also dont take into consideration that a LB'er or DE may be in Ben's face in only 2 seconds.
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Old 02-26-2011, 09:21 PM   #12
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Default Re: Who Should the Pittsburgh Steelers Blame for All These Sacks?

I suppose the fact that Ben's yards per attempt are much greater than the rest of these qb's has escaped notice? It's the system folks, the Steelers aren't running the west coast offense of a any variation of it. Our patterns are longer, the qb has to hold the ball longer in order for them to be coming out of their routes on time. Higer risk, but also higher reward. Seems to be working ok for the most part, so I'm ok with it, sacks and all.
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Old 02-26-2011, 10:50 PM   #13
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More hurry up offense=problem solved!!!
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Old 03-01-2011, 07:21 AM   #14
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Brady has q quick release and usually always has that ball out fast. look at his sacks, he has a bunch of quick ones in under 3 seconds but only 8 from him holding the ball more then 3 seconds

ben definatly holds the ball to long and if he could learn to read the field better he could be a dangerous qb. with that said he will never change and he will have a ton of sacks every season. i dont care if you put ben on the Patriots, he will have the same sack numbers. its the type of qb he is, you get the good with the bad
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Granted Ben could just throw the ball away more and the sack totals would go down.
But please don't give me the" brady has a quick release" crap as to why his sack total is so much less hat Ben"s. One, the offense the patriots run is predicated on the short pass. Two, I don't see a lot of patriot games, but the ones I do watch, when he does have to hold the ball longer, more often than not he seems to have more than enough time to comfortably survey the field. I believe that if every sack of Ben were to be analyzed, for the majority he is under pressure virtually immediately.
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Old 03-01-2011, 08:21 PM   #16
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Everybody knows its the horrible O line responsible for the sacks. Not holding the ball too long.

After all, they got rid of Hartwig and things got better didnt they?? Then the holding machine Colon was gone and the sack totals went down (for Ben's 12 game season)......right?
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3) This article does not examine what part OFFENSIVE SCHEME plays in generating these numbers.

Tom Brady and Peyton Manning have quick releases (under 3 seconds), because that is how their respective offensive schemes work. Brady's game hinges specifically upon quick-hitting timing routes. That is why he normally has one of the higest completion percentages in the league, but one of the lowest yards per attempt of any elite QBs. The Steelers' offense uses very little 3-step drop type passing plays-- our receivers all run 15 yard routes on every play because we are into the vertical passing game. One can argue whether we are using an optimal scheme on offense, based on the personnel (if your pass protection is shakey to begin with, maybe a vertical passing game is not best, instead, some sort of west-coast dink-n-dunk would be better). But the fact remains, despite all the sacks and wasted passing attempts, Ben usually ranks in the top 3 as far as yards per attempt.
Thank you. Someone finally gets it. To just say he holds onto the ball too long is the laziest analysis I've ever seen. I attribute half of our sacks NOT to Ben, and NOT to the O-line...but to Bruce Arians. Even Flacco's numbers need to be further analyzed...their play calling also sucks...75% of their plays are very slow play actions designed to then throw deep...if that's not open they dump to Ray Rice. Literally that is 75% of their offense.
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Ben could throw it away sometimes, but he never wants to go down without a fight. He always looks down-field when he is running away from defenders, and it results in huge plays, because the DB's cant cover forever. This O-line is far from the best, but its also not that bad, considering all the shuffling they had to do during the course of the season.
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