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Old 03-02-2011, 11:09 AM   #1
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Default Harrison has to go for more surgery

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/b8jxQ

I hate to say it, but once athletes have to go for back
surgery, it's over. And the fact that he had to have a 2nd
cutting is especially worrisome.

Now, add in that his position/style is about as physical
as you can get, I am concerned this could be the
beginning of the end for one of our very best players,
and one of the best defenders in the entire NFL.

I don't know if I have ever seen an athlete get back
surgery and come back. Back surgeries are not always effective
even for non-athletes.
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Old 03-02-2011, 11:25 AM   #2
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Default Re: Harrison has to go for more surgery

Mario Lemieux?

He had back surgery in 1990 to fix a herniated disc, missed 50 games and returned to lead the NHL playoffs in scoring, win the Stanley Cup and the Conn Smythe.

The next year, despite missing 20+ games, he won the scoring title (Art Ross), led the playoffs in scoring again and won another Stanley Cup and Conn Smythe.

The year after that he missed 2 months while going through radiation treatment for Hodgkins, played on the last day of his treatment and went on to win another scoring title for the year.

As if that wasn't enough...he underwent a 2nd back surgery the next year and missed 50+ games. Announced he was going to take a leave of absence the next season (which happened to be a shortened one due to lockout) and returned the next year ('95) to win another Art Ross.

He won his 6th Art Ross the next year. Then he retired for 3 years and came back in 2000.

While injuries certainly shortened his career...they didn't bring it to a halt. I'm not saying James will have the same experience, but it's certainly possible to recover and keep playing for a few more years.
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Default Re: Harrison has to go for more surgery

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I don't know if I have ever seen an athlete get back
surgery and come back. Back surgeries are not always effective
even for non-athletes.
dale earnhardt.

not only did he come back, he came back as good as ever (and that was with a broken neck).
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Old 03-02-2011, 12:12 PM   #4
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Mario Lemieux?

He had back surgery in 1990 to fix a herniated disc, missed 50 games and returned to lead the NHL playoffs in scoring, win the Stanley Cup and the Conn Smythe.

The next year, despite missing 20+ games, he won the scoring title (Art Ross), led the playoffs in scoring again and won another Stanley Cup and Conn Smythe.

The year after that he missed 2 months while going through radiation treatment for Hodgkins, played on the last day of his treatment and went on to win another scoring title for the year.

As if that wasn't enough...he underwent a 2nd back surgery the next year and missed 50+ games. Announced he was going to take a leave of absence the next season (which happened to be a shortened one due to lockout) and returned the next year ('95) to win another Art Ross.

He won his 6th Art Ross the next year. Then he retired for 3 years and came back in 2000.

While injuries certainly shortened his career...they didn't bring it to a halt. I'm not saying James will have the same experience, but it's certainly possible to recover and keep playing for a few more years.
1.) It's hockey. And ML's style was not one where he is looking for
contact, he looks to avoid it. There is a reason hockey players can
play every night and play into their 40s: it's no where near as tough
on the body as is football. Ice makes the hits much less brutal,
GENERALLY speaking.

2. Even though ML did keep coming back after various back
surgeries, he also DID miss a boatload of games in that same
span.

Find me a LB who came back from back surgery and went on to
play a long, productive span of games.
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dale earnhardt.

not only did he come back, he came back as good as ever (and that was with a broken neck).
OK, sitting behind a wheel in a car vs. playing LB in the NFL.
Should we also include Aunt Bessie's career at sewing
after back surgery in the mix of examples as well?
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dale earnhardt.

not only did he come back, he came back as good as ever (and that was with a broken neck).
Dale Earnhardt wasn't an athlete. A great race car driver?...for sure!
But not an athlete.
Guess we'll see how this plays out. This is Harrison's final contract.
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Dale Earnhardt wasn't an athlete. A great race car driver?...for sure!
But not an athlete.
Guess we'll see how this plays out. This is Harrison's final contract.
Things can unravel very quickly with an older team.
Imagine if Harrison is done. Troy remains not himself.
Smith goes down again. Keisel is about done. Farrior
is 36. Hines is as well.

We could go from a contender to 8-8 in a blink of the eye.
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1.) It's hockey. And ML's style was not one where he is looking for
contact, he looks to avoid it. There is a reason hockey players can
play every night and play into their 40s: it's no where near as tough
on the body as is football. Ice makes the hits much less brutal,
GENERALLY speaking.
Both sports are extremely physically demanding. Even when Mario missed a lot of games, he was still playing more and practicing more with less time off than an average football player would. I wouldn't ever say the hits are more brutal in football, but they are more regular. As far as physically demanding goes...NHLers play more games, more minutes, in much larger spurts/shift, practice and train more...all with shorter offseasons. You can claim that because they don't get hit as often (which they do get hit often, maybe even near the same amount as an NFLer when you consider they play 82 games and not 16, and typically get hit AT LEAST once or twice/game...not including playoffs), and that's the reason they have longer careers...I think it's because they are tougher. I know many (you included) will not agree with me, but that's my opinion after watching both games for 2 1/2 decades.

Where you get the idea that ice makes a hit less brutal than grass or turf would is beyond me. Especially when you factor in that NHLers wear less padding (both on body and helmets) than NFLers. I'd rather get driven onto the grass than onto a solid sheet of ice...but that's just me lol.

Nevermind that these guys are playing with razor sharp blades on their feet and swinging wooden sticks and slapping pucks (as fast and faster than driving speed limits in any country) at each other.

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2. Even though ML did keep coming back after various back
surgeries, he also DID miss a boatload of games in that same
span.

Find me a LB who came back from back surgery and went on to
play a long, productive span of games.
I'm not going to sit here and search through every linebacker in the NFLs history to try and find one who kept playing after back surgery. In the leagues history though, I'm sure there's more than one. Your original statement was "athlete", not "linebacker" though.
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Both sports are extremely physically demanding. Even when Mario missed a lot of games, he was still playing more and practicing more with less time off than an average football player would. I wouldn't ever say the hits are more brutal in football, but they are more regular. As far as physically demanding goes...NHLers play more games, more minutes, in much larger spurts/shift, practice and train more...all with shorter offseasons. You can claim that because they don't get hit as often (which they do get hit often, maybe even near the same amount as an NFLer when you consider they play 82 games and not 16, and typically get hit AT LEAST once or twice/game...not including playoffs), and that's the reason they have longer careers...I think it's because they are tougher. I know many (you included) will not agree with me, but that's my opinion after watching both games for 2 1/2 decades.

Where you get the idea that ice makes a hit less brutal than grass or turf would is beyond me. Especially when you factor in that NHLers wear less padding (both on body and helmets) than NFLers. I'd rather get driven onto the grass than onto a solid sheet of ice...but that's just me lol.

Nevermind that these guys are playing with razor sharp blades on their feet and swinging wooden sticks and slapping pucks (as fast and faster than driving speed limits in any country) at each other.



I'm not going to sit here and search through every linebacker in the NFLs history to try and find one who kept playing after back surgery. In the leagues history though, I'm sure there's more than one. Your original statement was "athlete", not "linebacker" though.
Well, the fact that NHL players __ can __ play every night tells me
that it is less demanding. Can you imagine NFL players playing
many consecutive nights, of at least every other night, for 6 months?
It simply wouldn't be possible, unless you had like enough players
to field 3 teams and rotated players. That alone proves football
is the more brutal sport. If not, NHL players could not play as often
as they do, period. Not saying it's not a sport that is immensely draining,
requiring the highest levels of conditioning and toughness. But it isn't
the NFL, in terms of the how brutal it is on the wear and tear of the body.

Remember when Marvel Smith had back surgery? He was never the same,
and ended up retiring. Remember when Larry Bird's back started to go?
Never the same. Harrison also seems to pack a lot of muscle and size
on a frame that's not that large. That also can contribute to the body busting
up and breaking done.

If you want to find exceptions to the rule, you can. But that is what they are:
EXCEPTIONS to the rule.

And with Mario, he was one of the greatest players to ever put on skates.
Even a dinged Mario, playing with a bad back, is still a great player, since
he was so awesome to begin with.

Harrison is on 100% blast every play, going head to head with men
who have 100lbs on him. He can't do that with a bad back.
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Your original statement was "athlete", not "linebacker" though.
But then you went and proved his
argument wrong. So he changed
it. I will tell you one thing though.
Once a thread turns into an
argument over ice vs. grass, it is
almost impossible to bring it back
on topic. Name me one thread in
the history of message boards
that has come back on topic after
not just one, but two posts about
ice. Perhaps I'm wrong about that
and if I am, then name me one
thread that was created on an odd
numbered thursday by someone
whose username starts with a
number between 1 and 4, and
who had more than 11,235 posts
at the time of creating the thread.


If you can do that, I will admit I was wrong.
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