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Old 03-17-2011, 05:12 PM   #1
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Default Hillary working hard for americans

oh wait ... never mind , Wasington is busy solving problems in other countries . america be patient , they'll get to our problems as soon as they fix the rest of the world ....
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"We need a plan for economic development, for jobs. The Tunisian people deserve that," she told reporters, saying the US would take part in a donors' conference later this year to help the North African nation.
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"We need to have a very big commitment to Tunisia, [so] that we can be ready to help them economically as well as with their democratic transformation," she said.
oops ... looks like the tunisians are familiar with their work

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They chanted "Hillary Clinton, you are not welcome, get out", "No colonisation after the revolution," or "No to US tutelage on Islamic soil", as they warned against any US intervention in Libya.
but hey... washington will give em taxpayers money even if we have to invade them and force them to take it.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...487729281.html
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Old 03-17-2011, 07:50 PM   #2
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Looks like we are going to war with Libya based upon a UN resolution - guess we are back to overthrowing governments we do not like even if their direct threat to the U.S. is not clear - that certainly worked out well when we took down Iraq

Qadaffi is a SOB but WTF - what exactly is the U.S. dog in this fight? At least W and Cheney felt the need to lie about WMD that allegedly jeopardized the U.S. to justify invading Iraq - would like to hear what vital national interest is involved here other than being sad that the Libyan rebels (who may not uniformly be staunch supporters of Western style democracy) could not finish off the Colonel
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Old 03-17-2011, 10:11 PM   #3
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england , france and the arab league want to get involved. russia and china said let em work it out on their own.
is england , france ,saudi , and egypt not capable of establishing a freakin " no fly zone ???
we ( the taxpayers ) will once again foot the bill , and supply 95% of the hardware and it'll be our guys putting themselves in harms way for people who'd be just as happy shooting at us than each other.

every ass wipe in DC that supported this should have to ride shotgun on all the sorties WITHOUT parachutes.
i heard newt gingrich running his man pleaser about obama's delay in getting involved. i'm sure the military complex was behind the stage pulling his strings that made his c0ck holster move. they ain't makin money if the bombs ain't bein dropped ..they can't wait to see a few thousand of those 70 grand a piece hellfire missiles fired from those planes that cost an arm and a leg to maintain.

my guees for the delay in the US getting on board with the idea is , the politicians and military contractors were still negotiating the split on the profits and what oil companies will get the new contracts.

i read an article the other day where gadhafi was considering kicking european oil companies out of the country and giving russia , china and india , access to the oil fields .... gee i wonder why some countries want to get involved while others don't ???

the sickening part is how these scumbags can stand at a podium and piss on your leg and tell you it's raining and keep a strait face. anyone who believes it's for humanitarian reasons is a total fool. just ask the people of darfur that survived the massacre how that humanitarian effort by the US and the UN worked out.... oh thats right,,, there was none. it's too bad they weren't blessed with oil fields . the rest of the world might have been interested.
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I was just reading up on some articles about how the Obama administration has done nothing about Lybia, can't say they were caught off guard because of Egypt a few months earlier, etc, etc. I actually agree with the administration on not doing anything. We have our own issues to worry about right now. Let them figure it out on their own.
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hell no we shouldn't get "involved" , what has getting involved ever gotten us but massive debt , dead soldiers , and the tag of "most hated" country in the world. let europe and the arab league who want to "get involved" , do it them damn selves. the only reason they want us involved is to pick up the tab.
france blasted us for invading iraq. why ? because saddam was giving them a sweet deal on oil. now that gadhafi has threatened to cut em off in libya , all of the sudden they start beating their war drums and want to take action. of course it has nothing to do with oil , they just can't stand to see the suffering of the poor libyan citizens under gadhafi. but hey saddam wasn't such a bad guy.
of course the GOP can't stand the thought of passing up on a military adventure. their corporate butt buddies might miss out on billions of dollars military hardware sales if we stay on the sidelines.
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hell no we shouldn't get "involved" , what has getting involved ever gotten us but massive debt , dead soldiers , and the tag of "most hated" country in the world. let europe and the arab league who want to "get involved" , do it them damn selves. the only reason they want us involved is to pick up the tab.
france blasted us for invading iraq. why ? because saddam was giving them a sweet deal on oil. now that gadhafi has threatened to cut em off in libya , all of the sudden they start beating their war drums and want to take action. of course it has nothing to do with oil , they just can't stand to see the suffering of the poor libyan citizens under gadhafi. but hey saddam wasn't such a bad guy.
of course the GOP can't stand the thought of passing up on a military adventure. their corporate butt buddies might miss out on billions of dollars military hardware sales if we stay on the sidelines.
I total agree. Stay out of this mess. As far as the Frenc F--K em! My Father fought all across Europe in WWII. He hated the French, said they were the rudest most ungrateful people he had ever seen. They want our help because they have never seen a war they could win.

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WASHINGTON – U.S. and British ships and submarines launched the first phase of a missile assault on Libyan air defenses Saturday and a senior American defense official said it was believed substantial damage was inflicted.
In the strikes, 112 Tomahawk cruise missiles were fired at more than 20 coastal targets to clear the way for air patrols to ground Libya's air force.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_us_libya
the cost of a tomahawk missile ....about $ 570,000 A PIECE
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_di...&tid=1300&ct=2

112 X 570000 =$ 63,840,000 TAX DOLLARS spent to help people who celebrated 9 / 11

i guess the CEO's at raytheon got a chub on.
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the REAL reason we are now involved ... ( and why china and russia were against involvement )
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Libya’s leader Muammar Gaddafi invited Chinese, Russian and Indian firms to produce its oil, state news agency Jana reported Monday, in a bid to replace Western companies that fled unrest. 'The leader of the revolution met on Sunday the ambassadors of China, Russia and India, with whom he discussed the progress of bilateral relations and an invitation to firms from these countries to exploit Libyan oil,' Jana said.

Most oil companies operating in Libya, including France's Total and China's CNPC, have partially or completely shut down production since the uprising against Gaddafi’s rule began a month ago. As the insurrection gained momentum, Gaddafi warned on March 2 that oil production in Libya had hit a historic low and threatened to throw out Western oil companies operating in the country. 'We are ready to bring Chinese and Indian companies to replace Western ones,' he said as oil companies evacuated their personnel and fled the violence.

The last oil shipment left the north African country on February 19 as large swathes of the east came under rebel control. But rebels fighting to unseat Gaddafi lost key oil towns, including Zawiyah, Ras Lanuf and Brega, in recent days to heavily-armed loyalist forces. 'Libyan oil terminals have become safe... All employees are asked to return to their jobs in all oil facilities. And we urge (foreign) firms to send their tankers to load and unload,' state television said Sunday, quoting the National Oil Corporation.

Oil giant Total said on Friday that the unrest in Libya had slashed output by 1.4 million barrels a day to under 300,000. Libya was producing 1.69 million barrels a day before the unrest, according to the International Energy Agency. Of this 1.2 million were exported, mostly to Europe. Other major customers are China and the United States.

Qatar’s Energy Minister Mohammed Saleh al-Sada said on Sunday that the world oil market was 'comfortable' despite the conflict in Libya. 'There are no problems of supply or reserves,' he told journalists, saying that producers’ cartel OPEC saw no need for a meeting on output.
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WASHINGTON -- In 2007, when American combat casualties were spiking in the bloodbath of the Iraq War, an 18-year-old laborer traveled from his home in eastern Libya through Egypt and Syria to join an al Qaeda terrorist cell in Iraq. He gave his name to al Qaeda operatives as Ashraf Ahmad Abu-Bakr al-Hasri. Occupation, he wrote: “Martyr.’’
Abu-Bakr was one of hundreds of foreign fighters who flocked into the killing zones of Iraq to wage war against the “infidels." They came from Saudi Arabia, Syria, Oman, Algeria and other Islamic states. But on a per capita basis, no country sent more young fighters into Iraq to kill Americans than Libya -- and almost all of them came from eastern Libya, the center of the anti-Gaddafi rebellion that the United States and others now have vowed to protect, according to internal al Qaeda documents uncovered by U.S. intelligence.
The informal alliance with violent Islamist extremist elements is a coming-home of sorts for the United States, which initially fought on the same side as the Libyan fighters in Afghanistan in the 1980s, battling the Soviet Union.
According to a cache of al Qaeda documents captured in 2007 by U.S. special operations commandos in Sinjar, Iraq, hundreds of foreign fighters, many of them untrained young Islamic volunteers, poured into Iraq in 2006 and 2007. The documents, called the Sinjar documents, were collected, translated and analyzed at the West Point Counter Terrorism Center. Almost one in five foreign fighters arriving in Iraq came from eastern Libya, from the towns of Surt, Misurata and Darnah.
On a per capita basis, that’s more than twice as many than came from any other Arabic-speaking country, amounting to what the counter terrorism center called a Libyan “surge" of young men eager to kill Americans.
During 2006 and 2007, a total of 1,468 Americans were killed in combat and 12,524 were badly wounded, according to Pentagon records.
Today, there is little doubt that eastern Libya, like other parts of the Arab world, is experiencing a genuine burst of anti-totalitarian fervor, expressed in demands for political freedom and economic reforms. But there also is a dark history to eastern Libya, which is the home of the Islamic Libyan Fighting Group, an anti-Gaddafi organization officially designated by the State Department as a terrorist organization.
The group was founded by Libyan mujahideen returning in the mid-1990s from Afghanistan, where they had gone to fight the Soviets’ Red Army. Building on a radical Islamist credo, they organized to fight the secular corruption of the Gaddafi regime. In 1996 they nearly succeeded in assassinating Gaddafi by attacking his motorcade with either a bomb or a rocket-propelled grenade which missed its target. The attack led to a severe crackdown by the regime. Many were imprisoned or disappeared, but the CIA still regards the group as one of the many franchises of al Qaeda, including al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, which operates in Yemen, and al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, which is active in Algeria and elsewhere in North Africa.
Eastern Libya has been described by U.S. diplomats as a breeding ground for Islamist extremism. In diplomatic cables released by Wikileaks, the region’s young men were said to have “nothing to lose" by resorting to violence. Sermons in the local mosques are “laced with phraseology urging worshippers to support jihad," one diplomat reported.
U.S. officials declined to discuss the make-up of the anti-Gaddafi forces in eastern Libya, and U.S. intelligence agencies declined to comment publicly. To be sure, extremist elements make up only a portion of the resistance to Gaddafi and have been present in every popular uprising in the region stretching from the Iranian revolution to the Egyptian people’s overthrow of Hosni Mubarak. But others caution that in the chaotic jockeying for power that will ensue, whether or not Gaddafi is forced from power, eastern Libya’s extremist groups will emerge.
“Lingering civil conflict in Libya (certain to happen if Gaddafi clings to power) would create ample ground for radicalization and extremist recruitment," Yasser al-Shimy, an Egyptian diplomat who defected during the last days of the Mubarak regime, wrote recently. Protracted civil conflict “usually induces radicalization and chaos. In other words, Libya might turn into a giant Somalia: a failed state on Egypt's borders with radical groups taking advantage of the mayhem," al-Shimy wrote in the blog, Best Defense. Or as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Friday about the immediate future of Libya: “We don’t know what the outcome will be."
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