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Old 04-04-2011, 11:14 AM   #21
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Default Re: Steelers 4-3 defense

I think that there's a very good chance that we see the 4-3 within 2-3 years.

Lamar Woodley is a RDE in the 4-3
Brett Keisel is a LDE in the 4-3
Lawrence Timmons is a Will LB in the 4-3
Stevenson Sylvester is a Sam LB in the 4-3
Ziggy Hood is a Disruptive force as a DT in the 4-3
Aaron Smith could play DT in the 4-3

There's one missing piece... MLB, but the pieces except a 4-3 MLB are all in place. The switch would not be that difficult.

It would be a hell of alot more effective against spread offense.
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I think that there's a very good chance that we see the 4-3 within 2-3 years.

Lamar Woodley is a RDE in the 4-3
Brett Keisel is a LDE in the 4-3
Lawrence Timmons is a Will LB in the 4-3
Stevenson Sylvester is a Sam LB in the 4-3
Ziggy Hood is a Disruptive force as a DT in the 4-3
Aaron Smith could play DT in the 4-3

There's one missing piece... MLB, but the pieces except a 4-3 MLB are all in place. The switch would not be that difficult.

It would be a hell of alot more effective against spread offense.
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I think that there's a very good chance that we see the 4-3 within 2-3 years.

Lamar Woodley is a RDE in the 4-3
Brett Keisel is a LDE in the 4-3
Lawrence Timmons is a Will LB in the 4-3
Stevenson Sylvester is a Sam LB in the 4-3
Ziggy Hood is a Disruptive force as a DT in the 4-3
Aaron Smith could play DT in the 4-3

There's one missing piece... MLB, but the pieces except a 4-3 MLB are all in place. The switch would not be that difficult.

It would be a hell of alot more effective against spread offense.
Keisel and Smith will both be gone in 2-3 years
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Default Re: Steelers 4-3 defense

But for the 2-3 years Smith and Keisel would be fine.

Nobody questions why the Steelers Drafted Timmons 1st who was a WILL 4-3 LB coming out of college? Or why Ziggy Hood was Drafted in the 1st as a 4-3 DT prospect coming out of college?

Neither of those two were on any Steeler fans Draft boards those years.

Stevenson Sylvester is totally suited as a SAM 4-3 LB.

Donovan Warren was brought in and Crezdon Butler was Drafted last year. Both are cover-2 type CB's.

I don't think switching to the 4-3 in a couple years is anywhere near as far fetched as you guys are portraying.
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Default Re: Steelers 4-3 defense

Keisel's a RDE. Why would we move him to the left?

Woodley's a weakside linebacker. Why would we move him to end, and on the right?

Timmons is our fastest, most athletic linebacker. Why would we have him just bull-rushing from the right?

Your post is idiotic. Why would I bother responding to it?

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Keisel's a RDE. Why would we move him to the left?

Woodley's a weakside linebacker. Why would we move him to end, and on the right?

Timmons is our fastest, most athletic linebacker. Why would we have him just bull-rushing from the right?

Your post is idiotic. Why would I bother responding to it?

Huh? Half this post doesn't even make sense.

In a 4-3 your OLB aren't bullrushers. The ends rush the QB ala Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis. Your OLB's can blitz, read and react to the run, drop into coverage on a back or TE. Think Lance Briggs.

I called Woodley the RDE because he'd be the end coming from the blind-side between him and Keisel. RDE lines up on the blind-side over the LT.... Hello

Keisel is NOW a RDE because he plays over the LT. He would generally play over the RT at end in the 4-3. Thus LDE.

As for Timmons... you can figure that out now.

I can provide links that explains this for you if you'd like.

Just because I'm new to the board don't confuse that with being new to football or to the Steelers for that matter.

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Default Re: Steelers 4-3 defense

Look, guy:
  • 5 of the top 6 defenses last year were base 3-4 defenses, and two of those made the Super Bowl.
  • The Steelers are habitually in the top-5 employing a 3-4.
  • Defensive linemen are more expensive than linebackers, making the 3-4 (normally) less expensive to piece together than a 4-3.
  • 3-4 ends are, furthermore, less expensive than 4-3 ends, making it even cheaper. [Although 3-4 NTs are not only pricey, but very hard to find]
  • All of our personnel on D are thoroughly trained in working within the 3-4, and just as it took them all one, two or (as with Timmons) even three years to learn the system, it would take them the same amount of time to unlearn it.
So it works exceedingly well, and it's cheaper, and we'd suck while transitioning out of it. Why exactly are we likely to see them abandon this formula "within 2-3 years"? I hasten to point out that basically you're saying it's going to happen immediately, since you agreed that Keisel and Smith will in truth be gone in 2-3 years, and clarified that in the meantime they will be "fine" for the 4-3.

Which "half" of my post doesn't even make sense, by the way? The half where I'm asking why I'm responding to you?
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Default Re: Steelers 4-3 defense

Nope.

The half where you obviously didn't know the scheme behind a 4-3. The half that made sense was you explaining what Woodley's, Timmons and Keisel's positions are NOW.

I have no delusions that they will change now. However, I don't think that it's out of the question that they start running a 4-3 base from time to time in the near future. Keith Butler and MT are both 4-3 base guys. To adamantly deny that it could be in the plans down the road is foolish at best.

I merely pointed out that the ingredients to run a 4-3 is in place and they are.

As for what is cheaper... we'll see about that 2-3 years down the road when 60-70% of the NFL is running the 3-4. For years the Steelers were able to draft "outside the box" simply because they were running the 3-4. That will not be the case. 3-4 defenders will be at a premium. More demand, less supply it's that simple.
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Smith? Why even mention his name? Smith is basically gone now. Without or without Smith that is not going to cause the Steelers to make a decision to switch to a 4-3.

I do not see it happening. We are stacked with all pro lb's for the foreseeable future and our drafting ability for lb's isn't going to change.

Finding athleteic corks in the 3-4 isn't that difficult, its having the strong lb's behind them to jam it in. We are not changing.
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Steelers haven't used a 4-3 since the early 80's. It's not just LeBaeu keepings the Steelers using the 3-4, it's the tradition that took over in the 80's and led to blitzberg in the 90's and continues today.
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