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Old 05-05-2011, 08:29 AM   #11
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Default Re: Keith Williams Don't like this pick

I kind of wish I hadn't started this thread. Now everyday I see Keith Williams I don't like the pick. I really have nothing against Keith Williams I just having watched the draft for 3 days wanted a Nose Tackle. Turns out they really aren't rated that high. Ian Williams and Anthony Gray did not even get drafted.

With Kugler, Williams could turn out to be a fine lineman for us. I still firmly believe in my comments about needing a NT with only Hampton and Hoke on the team, but we will see what happens. There also are some older FA NTs out there. So I might not like the pick, but have nothing against Keith Williams and who knows if we sign Ian Williams or Anthony Gray or a FA we would have both a new NT and OG.
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Old 05-05-2011, 09:25 AM   #12
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I kind of wish I hadn't started this thread. Now everyday I see Keith Williams I don't like the pick. I really have nothing against Keith Williams I just having watched the draft for 3 days wanted a Nose Tackle. Turns out they really aren't rated that high. Ian Williams and Anthony Gray did not even get drafted.

With Kugler, Williams could turn out to be a fine lineman for us. I still firmly believe in my comments about needing a NT with only Hampton and Hoke on the team, but we will see what happens. There also are some older FA NTs out there. So I might not like the pick, but have nothing against Keith Williams and who knows if we sign Ian Williams or Anthony Gray or a FA we would have both a new NT and OG.
I agree. I've been saying for the last 3 drafts that we need to get a NT. It's one of our more immediate needs due to the fact that there is virtually nobody behind the Big Snack; so not only do we have a future need for a starter because Hampton is almost past his expiration, but we also have an immediate need for depth. Hoke is not a long term solution.

I would hope this indicates there hasn't been a NT worth drafting the past three years. Hopefully one will come along next year. I fear some sort of covert mission by Tomlin to switch to a 4-3 after DL retires. I hope this isn't the case.
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does ian williams fit our d though?


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I agree. I've been saying for the last 3 drafts that we need to get a NT. It's one of our more immediate needs due to the fact that there is virtually nobody behind the Big Snack; so not only do we have a future need for a starter because Hampton is almost past his expiration, but we also have an immediate need for depth. Hoke is not a long term solution.

I would hope this indicates there hasn't been a NT worth drafting the past three years. Hopefully one will come along next year. I fear some sort of covert mission by Tomlin to switch to a 4-3 after DL retires. I hope this isn't the case.


when was the last time pitt had a 4-3 d? dont think in my life time
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Old 05-05-2011, 12:11 PM   #14
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when was the last time pitt had a 4-3 d? dont think in my life time
I thought the '70s had a 4-3, but I could be wrong. Either way, Tomlin is a Tampa 2 guy. I fear he may want to impliment "his" system at some point.
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I thought the '70s had a 4-3, but I could be wrong. Either way, Tomlin is a Tampa 2 guy. I fear he may want to impliment "his" system at some point.


yeah 70's,


im early 20's lol.

well if went tampa 2, atleast r corners wouldnt look like swish cheese, but it seems to me like were still drafting 3-4 guys, (ala life after dl)

heyward, hood, etc, then again they could be 4-3 d ends i guess..
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heyward, hood, etc, then again they could be 4-3 d ends i guess..
Hood and Heyward could probably play DT in a 4-3.
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Hood and Heyward could probably play DT in a 4-3.
interesting, but i got your point, that its possible, hopefully not, though, seems like pitt invented the 3-4, and now everyones using it, but then we do the old switch a roo back to a 4-3. and still shit on teams


where does woodley play? or james harrison?

cant see them moving to de's.


cant see them moving to a 4-3 for the time being, too many variables need to change
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Looks like 1982 was the first year the Steelers used the 3-4 Defense. Gary Dunn was the NT, and Loren Toewes joined Jack Lambert as a Inside Linebacker.

If we would go 4-3

Hood, Heyward would be DTs, (Hood was in College)
Woodley, Keisel, would be the DEs,(Woodley was in College)
Timmons would be an OLB in a 4-3 (Timmons was in College)
Harrison could be your middle Linebacker temporarily until you draft one
Would need to draft another pure speedy 4-3 OLB

Would need to draft a better pass rushing DE then Keisel, and a dominate inside Linebacker.

However having great success with the 3-4 and drafting that way with
the Chris Carter and Jason Worilds picks although both were 4-3 DEs in college. And Cameron Heyward is
the prototypical 3-4 End.
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I wish they would have spent the 5th round pick on DeMarcus Love from Arkansas....the guy would have been a steal as a guard.
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Default Re: Keith Williams Don't like this pick

Actually we wouldn't be in bad shape personnel-wise for a 4-3 switch in the future, but I don't think it would be worth it. Worilds and Woodley were DE's in college, Heyward and Hood could both be DT's. Sylvester and Timmons could both stay at LB; I guess Chris Carter could play there but he's more of a pass rushing DE, so we'd need one more bonafide LB.

Who knows how effective those guys would be after having the 3-4 pounded into their heads though. Woodley and Worilds were good in college but fit much better as 3-4 OLBs than 4-3 DEs, they could still be good but I feel a 4-3 caps their effectiveness.

If Tomlin was even remotely thinking about switching to a 4-3 at any point though I think he would have taken the gamble on Bowers in the first instead of Heyward, though.
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