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Old 04-23-2011, 03:58 PM   #1
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Default Over-emphasis on CBs stopping rush?

I think many of the fans are deluded about the quality of
this team. It's obviously good, with a franchise QB (most important
single factor in terms of players), a solid defense and a sprinkling
of probowl-level players on the roster.

But guess what? If not for the Jets upsetting the Pats, we would not
have made the Super Bowl. As it has been heavily noted on all
Steelers boards, this defense is very beatable when facing a quality
QB. And this is nothing new: It's been the case for many years. Not
only does the D sellout to stop the rush, but they also sellout to
stop the rush in terms of personnel. What do we always hear about
the CBs that Pgh has drafted or is looking to draft? "This CB can
stop the rush and Dick L system values CBs who can stop the rush."

How many times have we heard that? Me? I am a little sick of hearing that.
No, I Don't want CBs who are afraid to tackle. But I am sick of hearing
that brought up as if that is a CB's priority job #1. Someone please tell
Dicky L. that first and foremost, we need CBs who can COVER THE
RECEIVERS. Had we had CBs who could cover better, we win the
Super Bowl! How much did it matter to Green Bay that our CBs could
tackle ball carriers? Not too frickin' much.

Odds are, we won't be able to rely on other teams to knock off the
elite QBs before we have to face them. Odds are, we will have to
beat a team with a franchise QB to even make it to the SB most
seasons. But when we face the Flaccos and Dirty Sanchezes of the
league, we can win those games. Beating Brady? Not gonna happen.
Not with our CBs who can "tackle ball carriers" as their priority skill.

I keep hearing about this CB Ras-I Dowling, out of U of Virginia, as the CB Pgh is interested in. And the first thing mentioned? Pgh like Cbs who can tackle and this guy can tackle. WTF? How about can he freakin' cover someone like glue? That should be the first thing considered, GARSH DAMMIT.

OK, Dicky L likes CBs who can tackle. Great. Just don't flippin' over-emphasize
that factor when choosing who we add to this roster. Seriously. Get over
yourselves. I love that our D can just smash a rushing attack, but please,
if we allow pass D to suffer in the meantime, it's gonna bite us in the tookus.
And yidda, yidda, yidda we don't want that. Oy vey.

Wise up, Pgh. We need some CBs who can cover and make
plays beyond tackling ball carriers.
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Old 04-23-2011, 07:45 PM   #2
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Default Re: Over-emphasis on CBs stopping rush?

I completely agree about needing corners who can cover. When our passing defense is the weak link, and we hear all about the corner's 1st being able to stop the run, it makes me wonder.

I might disagree with you about the Jets saving us from the Patriots. Although we are very beatable when playing a top quarterback, maybe if we had played Brady and beaten him we would have had the right mindset going against another good qb in the superbowl. Then again we could argue about what could have happened forever.
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Old 04-23-2011, 10:17 PM   #3
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Default Re: Over-emphasis on CBs stopping rush?

I never understood the idea of CB covering the run more than the pass. Our issues don't stem with the run. Hell you could put the three down lineman and two LB and no team would be able to run on us. Troy helps with run support and Clark is always a great option when it comes to making the tackle if the front line is defended.

Our corners have had huge issues with getting beat on the deep balls (BMac) and have also been horrible covering the end on short passes (William Gay) I really think a cover corner should be the top priority. I am a huge fan of Aaron Williams of Texas and his teamate Curtis Brown.
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I never understood the idea of CB covering the run more than the pass. Our issues don't stem with the run. Hell you could put the three down lineman and two LB and no team would be able to run on us. Troy helps with run support and Clark is always a great option when it comes to making the tackle if the front line is defended.

Our corners have had huge issues with getting beat on the deep balls (BMac) and have also been horrible covering the end on short passes (William Gay) I really think a cover corner should be the top priority. I am a huge fan of Aaron Williams of Texas and his teamate Curtis Brown.
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Old 04-23-2011, 11:09 PM   #5
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Default Re: Over-emphasis on CBs stopping rush?

oh here we go again....

don't listen to everything you hear from the talking heads on TV. they just like to pick storylines and go with it...so if the stats say we are #1 against the run then they will praise dick L for stopping the run, thus adding the CB's to the mix of being physical and not afraid to tackle, yada yada yada...

Dick's scheme is not that brilliant of a concept, there is no mystery to it....

You stop the run... check

You force the other team to be one dimensional... check

You disguise pressure to get after the quarterback.... well sometimes

More often then not you can get there, but sometimes if the players aren't winning the one on one battles you don't and thus you lose (the superbowl)

Completely changing the philosophy of the defense with the personnel we have drafted because you think it would of won us one game is ludicrous. That same philosophy got us to the SB, and won 2 previous trips. Harrison didn't get after the QB, Woodley was a non-factor, bmac not 100% and no depth (madison actually playing defense) = we lose. Has nothing to do with cover skills, all scheme. They had a blueprint of how to beat us and executed, we had a plan to beat them and didn't. It's really as simple as that. Let it be already...
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Default Re: Over-emphasis on CBs stopping rush?

steelers game plan is to win the battle at the line. its impossible to have it all when there is a salery cap so were never going to be able to have perfect LB'ers, CB's and line. the line of scrimmage is more important to us and thats why we wont grab a CB in round 1 this week and im fine with that
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how would you prefer to lose? getting gouged by an elite QB (SB loss) or getting gouged by the run (think jacksonville loss in playoffs) pick your poison
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Default Re: Over-emphasis on CBs stopping rush?

It's like saying, "We like our QBs to be able to block." OK, not quite
that stupid but along the same lines. Get some gad dang CBs who
can cover and make plays.
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Default Re: Over-emphasis on CBs stopping rush?

BTW, every CB they have taken the last several years have 4 x 4s for hands.
Have you ever seen sorrier CBs at trying to catch the ball? Our # of ints from
CBs is embarrassingly low. But, they can tackle, so it must be all good.
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Default Re: Over-emphasis on CBs stopping rush?

I doubt Lebeau isn't concerned with finding good cover corners. This is just another case of fans portending to know more than they do.

Anyways, we've just been bad at drafting CBs the last few years, so few have panned out how we planned. Gay obviously didn't live up to expectations and Burnett and Lewis weren't even good even to get real playing time. It is a position that we are desperately thin at, 1 injury amongst the CBs and we're gonna look real real bad. Hopefully we can get some insurance at the position.
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