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Old 05-09-2011, 03:32 PM   #321
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You know, I understand that America is a great county. We have lots of freedoms (many of which are slipping though), and a relatively high standard of living compared to many countries. That does not mean that questioning our government is anti-American. In fact, I'm 100% convinced that questioning your government and being suspicious of those that are in charge of your freedoms is one of the most patriotic things a person can do. If we as a society don't question and keep tabs on how our government is being run and what elected officials are doing, then it'll be our own fault when the shit hits the fan (and, as history has shown, it always does).

Sitting back and becoming complacent (like a good majority of Americans are today) with your government only leads to an eventual downfall.

Ok...stepping off my soap box for a moment...I found this article browsing around. I guess Pieczenik is just un-American and should just get out.
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Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.
Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.
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Back in April 2002, over nine years ago, Pieczenik told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been “dead for months,” and that the government was waiting for the most politically expedient time to roll out his corpse. Pieczenik would be in a position to know, having personally met Bin Laden and worked with him during the proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan back in the early 80′s.
Pieczenik said that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001, “Not because special forces had killed him, but because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him and it was on the intelligence roster that he had marfan syndrome,” adding that the US government knew Bin Laden was dead before they invaded Afghanistan.
Marfan syndrome is a degenerative genetic disease for which there is no permanent cure. The illness severely shortens the life span of the sufferer.
“He died of marfan syndrome, Bush junior knew about it, the intelligence community knew about it,” said Pieczenik, noting how CIA physicians had visited Bin Laden in July 2001 at the American Hospital in Dubai.
“He was already very sick from marfan syndrome and he was already dying, so nobody had to kill him,” added Pieczenik, stating that Bin Laden died shortly after 9/11 in his Tora Bora cave complex.
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Pieczenik said that the decision to launch the hoax now was made because Obama had reached a low with plummeting approval ratings and the fact that the birther issue was blowing up in his face.
“He had to prove that he was more than American….he had to be aggressive,” said Pieczenik, adding that the farce was also a way of isolating Pakistan as a retaliation for intense opposition to the Predator drone program, which has killed hundreds of Pakistanis.
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Pieczenik’s assertion that Bin Laden died almost ten years ago is echoed by numerous intelligence professionals as well as heads of state across the world.
Bin Laden, “Was used in the same way that 9/11 was used to mobilize the emotions and feelings of the American people in order to go to a war that had to be justified through a narrative that Bush junior created and Cheney created about the world of terrorism,” stated Pieczenik.
During his interview with the Alex Jones Show yesterday, Pieczenik also asserted he was directly told by a prominent general that 9/11 was a stand down and a false flag operation, and that he is prepared to go to a grand jury to reveal the general’s name.
“They ran the attacks,” said Pieczenik, naming Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley, Elliott Abrams, and Condoleezza Rice amongst others as having been directly involved.
“It was called a stand down, a false flag operation in order to mobilize the American public under false pretenses….it was told to me even by the general on the staff of Wolfowitz – I will go in front of a federal committee and swear on perjury who the name was of the individual so that we can break it open,” said Pieczenik, adding that he was “furious” and “knew it had happened”.
I dunno...dude sounds like he means it to me. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
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Old 05-09-2011, 03:46 PM   #322
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You know, I understand that America is a great county. We have lots of freedoms (many of which are slipping though), and a relatively high standard of living compared to many countries. That does not mean that questioning our government is anti-American. In fact, I'm 100% convinced that questioning your government and being suspicious of those that are in charge of your freedoms is one of the most patriotic things a person can do. If we as a society don't question and keep tabs on how our government is being run and what elected officials are doing, then it'll be our own fault when the shit hits the fan (and, as history has shown, it always does).

Sitting back and becoming complacent (like a good majority of Americans are today) with your government only leads to an eventual downfall.

Ok...stepping off my soap box for a moment...I found this article browsing around. I guess Pieczenik is just un-American and should just get out.

I dunno...dude sounds like he means it to me. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
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So I'm supposed to believe that the same government that can't keep classified documents out of the hands of Assange could cover something this big for the better part of a decade? There's a difference between questioning one's government and paranoid delusion.
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So I'm supposed to believe that the same government that can't keep classified documents out of the hands of Assange could cover something this big for the better part of a decade? There's a difference between questioning one's government and paranoid delusion.

No...it would be paranoid delusions if I sat around my basement in a tinfoil hat and just made this stuff up. It's another thing when someone who is still employed by the US government says it and swears to go to a grand jury with their statements.

I don't know...take it however you want. The guy seems legit to me. That's not saying that insane people with paranoid delusions don't ever graduate from MIT with a doctorate and work under 5 different presidents...I'm just not sure how common it is.
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No...it would be paranoid delusions if I sat around my basement in a tinfoil hat and just made this stuff up. It's another thing when someone who is still employed by the US government says it and swears to go to a grand jury with their statements.

I don't know...take it however you want. The guy seems legit to me. That's not saying that insane people with paranoid delusions don't ever graduate from MIT with a doctorate and work under 5 different presidents...I'm just not sure how common it is.
This guy? http://www.stevepieczenik.com/home.html

Sorry, have my doubts. The Canadian origin of the website that article is posted on didn't up the credibility in my mind either. Did you happen to catch some of the other bylines on that site? It reads like a tinfoil hat wearing truther site if I've ever seen one.

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This guy? http://www.stevepieczenik.com/home.html

Sorry, have my doubts. The Canadian origin of the website that article is posted on didn't up the credibility in my mind either.
Yes...this guy. He sounds like an absolute loon.

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trained in Psychiatry at Harvard and has both an M.D. from Cornell University Medical College and a Ph.D. in International Relations from M.I.T

He served as a Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker.

his unique abilities and expertise to develop strategies and tactics that were instrumental in resolving major conflicts in Asia, the Middle East, Latin America, Europe and the United States.

he developed conflict resolution techniques that were instrumental in saving over five hundred hostages in different terrorist episodes, including the Hanafi Moslem Seizure in Washington, DC, the TWA Croatian Hijacking, the Aldo Moro Kidnapping, the JRA Hijacking, the PLO Hijacking, and many other incidents involving terrorists such as Idi Amin, Muammar Quaddafi, Carlos, FARC, Abu Nidal and Saddam Hussein.

He is currently an advisor to the Department of Defense.

Dr. Pieczenik has started several successful companies, employing his methodologies in various industries, including investment banking, publishing and television/film.
Ok...sorry you don't like the website. Would you rather hear him talking to Alex Jones yourself?

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Yes...this guy. He sounds like an absolute loon.

He is currently an advisor to the Department of Defense.
Didn't say he was a loon. I just don't buy what he's selling. I also don't completely buy the government's story though, either, before I'm labeled a "sheep".

Still an adviser to the DoD? In light of these allegations? I find that a little hard to believe. About the only entity out there that's probably more paranoid than the truthers is the Pentagon, and in turn the DoD.
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Didn't say he was a loon. I just don't buy what he's selling. I also don't completely buy the government's story though, either, before I'm labeled a "sheep".

Still an adviser to the DoD? In light of these allegations? I find that a little hard to believe. About the only entity out there that's probably more paranoid than the truthers is the Pentagon, and in turn the DoD.
Don't know about DoD, but he's on the Council of Foreign Relations. I have my doubts about this as well, but our foreign policy is just screwy enough to necessitate these sorts of shenanigans, fo' shizzle.
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Didn't say he was a loon. I just don't buy what he's selling. I also don't completely buy the government's story though, either, before I'm labeled a "sheep".

Still an adviser to the DoD? In light of these allegations? I find that a little hard to believe. About the only entity out there that's probably more paranoid than the truthers is the Pentagon, and in turn the DoD.
I'm not saying it's god's word either or anything...and certainly wouldn't label you a sheep or a shill or anything screwy like that. You've got to admit though, with his background, education and employment, he's most likely not some crazy loon babbling stuff on a blog to get attention...know what I mean?

For many, many years I was extremely skeptical of any kind of hardcore conspiracy theories...but my ears perk up when someone with some credibility says something.

I have no clue if he is still currently an advisor to the DoD. He was when he made the statements, as far as I know. Did you even read his bio though? He's only an adviser for the DoD. His main employment was with the State Department as an International Crisis Manager and Hostage Negotiator. He spent his life trying to save people from terrorists. I just have my doubts that someone who did that would just one day up and decide to make some shit up (he said this back in '02 by the way...all he's doing now is backing up his previous statements and stating that he'll testify to a grand jury).

Maybe he did make it up and it's all bullshit...what do I know really. I'm just leaning more towards the thinking that he's not. I just don't understand what the whole purpose of him making this up would be.
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