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Old 05-28-2011, 02:21 PM   #31
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Go ahead and point out the current OLBs who are probowlers at 225 lbs.

Hell, find me decent starting OLBs at 225 or less. Most are all over
240 and a good deal are over 250. Ham would be like a bug getting
hit by a windshield at 80 MPH.
As has already been pointed out, if Jack Ham had played in THIS era with more modern training methods and supplements, he would probably have been a larger OLB. That, or he may have played a different position.
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Old 05-28-2011, 04:28 PM   #32
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OK, I get it, at Jack Ham's size, he would get smashed as an OLB today. However, at his size and skill in todays game, Jack Ham would be one of the best Strong Safeties around. I also am a little disappointed you didn't put Jason Gildon on your short list of OLB's. What about Kevin Greene (I know he only played with us for 3 years, but he helped us get to a SB)?
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Old 05-29-2011, 12:00 AM   #33
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Ham was 6-3, 224. He'd get tossed around like a rag doll in the
era that Lloyd and Harrison played in. 6-3, 224 is a thin guy. He's get
pounded today, hence if I had my choice, I'd take the other two guys
since they can bring the thunder than Ham never could. Harrison is
6-0, 242. Now that is SIZE and leverage. He totally disrupts offenses.
Ham was more of a put himself in position kind of guy - not a wrecking
ball, which both GL and JH are. You want my Crystal Ball? You got it.
It's called 224 is too small and no way does a 224 lb OLB make the
hall of fame on Pgh's recent teams.
greg lloyd was listed as 6-2 , 228 lbs...
Greg Lloyd

Height: 6-2 Weight: 228 Age: 46

Born: 5/26/1965 Miami , FL

College: Fort Valley State

Experience: 11 Seasons



i'm pretty sure ham could have bulked up to meet the demands of todays NFL.

besides nfl.com has him listed at...
Jack Ham
Height: 6-1 Weight: 225 Age: 62
Born: 12/23/1948 Johnstown , PA
College: Penn State
Experience: 12 Seasons
Hall of Fame Induction: 1988
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For one thing, Ham was a 4-3 OLB and was as good as they come, PERIOD! You can't compare him to the guys we have running as 3-4 OLBs who are pretty much just pure rush artists! The DEs of the 70s were more like the LBs of today...
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OK, I get it, at Jack Ham's size, he would get smashed as an OLB today. However, at his size and skill in todays game, Jack Ham would be one of the best Strong Safeties around. I also am a little disappointed you didn't put Jason Gildon on your short list of OLB's. What about Kevin Greene (I know he only played with us for 3 years, but he helped us get to a SB)?
Gildon sucked so bad his later years, that most Steeler fans I know really
loathed watching him play. He did put up record-setting sack #s before
he sucked, but his last few seasons, he didn't even appear to ever hustle.
I think he cherry picked much of his stats because he had so many good
players around him and he was sent to the QB more than anyone else.

Greene was great, but much/most? of his career was not as a Steeler. Ham
was a great player in his day. But the question was, who would you sign, if
all in their prime right NOW? I still take Harrison. He is an incredible disrupting
force and "brings it" every single play. I realize he will never get his due or
be in the Hall, but that is kind of my point: sometimes those who don't sniff
the Hall are superior, in their day, to those who do make it.

Lloyd did only go 228 but he was big for his size; he had that tiny waist,
et al. He was like a cheetah, or some quick big cat. I take Lloyd over
any of the OLBs of the 70s if we are playing in the modern era.
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As has already been pointed out, if Jack Ham had played in THIS era with more modern training methods and supplements, he would probably have been a larger OLB. That, or he may have played a different position.
You mean he might get juiced up? They had juice in the 70's and Pgh was
notorious for having the most players on juice in that era.
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That's incorrect. They were known to have STARTED it, Oakland's entire team was on it!
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I believe Jason Gildong still plays on the Steelers
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That's incorrect. They were known to have STARTED it, Oakland's entire team was on it!
Not really relevant to this thread, but the idea that the Steelers started, or even popularized the use of steroids in the NFL is completely false.

It's pretty well known that the Chargers started steroid use in the NFL 11 years before the Steelers won their first Super Bowl.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/n...ory?id=3866837

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2008...g-bob-waters/3

http://www.steroidsinbaseball.net/steroidtimeline.html

http://www.steroidtimes.com/chemical...e-50s-70s/2009

The Chiefs, Cowboys and Raiders all used them before the Steelers did.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...misconceptions
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harrison. lloyd was mean but harrison would steal his lunch money

james doesn't just hit people, he freakin executes them
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