A little weed costs us a Super Bowl

[zulater]

Originally Posted by thumper

I agree he'd still be an X-Steeler - NOW. But in the meantime, could have
added another ring. It's not like you can take the opportunities lightly.
We won one in the 1979 season.....and then waited 25 years before
our next one.

Holmes is not the kind of player that Pgh re-ups for the larger contracts;
I get that. He is aloof, kind of stupid. (Obviously, being that he had already
been busted for weed and he risked millions by keep toking. Why not
wait until retirement after making 10s of millions and THEN toke out?)

Hugely idiotic. Of course, having all those babies with all those different
mothers isn't all that bright either. It's called a "Jimmie" Holmes.

I still would have liked our chances on the last drive with SH on the field.
As if the Rooneys' past is so pure white. Gambling and mob action?

So you're using Holmes to attack The Chief now? Holy sheet dude.

[thumper]

Originally Posted by zulater

So you're using Holmes to attack The Chief now? Holy sheet dude.

What? Do you prefer that we hide from the truth and create an
alternate reality? Or is dealing with the truth the right way to roll?
Do you really think the Rooneys have a lily white past? Is that your
assertion?

[zulater]

Originally Posted by thumper

What? Do you prefer that we hide from the truth and create an
alternate reality? Or is dealing with the truth the right way to roll?
Do you really think the Rooneys have a lily white past? Is that your
assertion?

Was Art Rooney ever arrested? Did he ever abuse a woman? Did he ever let down his team by doing extremely selfish acts?

My "assertion" is the answer to all those questions is no.

Art Rooney Sr. came from a different era, he violated the blue laws, he gambled with bookies, other than that he was pretty much by the book.

To equate Holmes moral's with Art Rooney Sr's. is completey ridiculous.

[zulater]

By the way do you really know why Holmes was traded? It's because he lied to Tomlin. After his ordeal with the weed in his car during the 2008 season he had a face to face with his coach, in this meeting he looked Tomlin in the eye and assured him that this was the last time that sort of thing would happen. He violated that trust when he tested positive for weed in 2009. Simply put if you look a man in the eye, shake his hand, and tell him you wont, then do, you've forever lost that man's trust. Once you've lost a man's trust he doesn't want to go to war with you anymore.

Tomlin was betrayed by Holmes, thus he was traded, period the end.

Now stop making stupid threads crying about his departure folks! He brought it upon himself.

[thumper]

Originally Posted by zulater

Was Art Rooney ever arrested? Did he ever abuse a woman? Did he ever let down his team by doing extremely selfish acts?

My "assertion" is the answer to all those questions is no.

Art Rooney Sr. came from a different era, he violated the blue laws, he gambled with bookies, other than that he was pretty much by the book.

To equate Holmes moral's with Art Rooney Sr's. is completey ridiculous.

The biggest criminals on the planet are never arrested or charged
for any crimes. That's what makes them "the biggest" because they
are so deep in it, they are safe. Just because a family is safe from
scrutiny because they are so high up in the establishment hardly
proves their angle-like profiles. Next you will tell me the Rockefellers
and Rothchilds haven't executed some of the largest crimes against
all of humanity. After all, they were never arrested for anything. Come
to think of it, the largest mass murderers in the history of mankind
were never charged with a crime either. So, hey, that's all the proof
we need. Stalin was a saint.

It's already been prove the Rooney control all the local press. You won't
find any dirt on them, because no media outlets will report on any even
if it existed. I don't believe they are still acting within the mob, but you
won't read anything about that part of their past in the Post Gazzete any
time soon.

[thumper]

Originally Posted by zulater

By the way do you really know why Holmes was traded? It's because he lied to Tomlin. After his ordeal with the weed in his car during the 2008 season he had a face to face with his coach, in this meeting he looked Tomlin in the eye and assured him that this was the last time that sort of thing would happen. He violated that trust when he tested positive for weed in 2009. Simply put if you look a man in the eye, shake his hand, and tell him you wont, then do, you've forever lost that man's trust. Once you've lost a man's trust he doesn't want to go to war with you anymore.

Tomlin was betrayed by Holmes, thus he was traded, period the end.

Now stop making stupid threads crying about his departure folks! He brought it upon himself.

This entire assertion is ridiculous. As if you know what happened in any
meetings between the two. And as if a broken promise has to end up
in trading the player for peanuts. Broken promises happen every day;
they don't have to end the total relationship. If they did, the divorce rate
would explode by 100,000%

[zulater]

Originally Posted by thumper

The biggest criminals on the planet are never arrested or charged
for any crimes. That's what makes them "the biggest" because they
are so deep in it, they are safe. Just because a family is safe from
scrutiny because they are so high up in the establishment hardly
proves their angle-like profiles. Next you will tell me the Rockefellers
and Rothchilds haven't executed some of the largest crimes against
all of humanity. After all, they were never arrested for anything. Come
to think of it, the largest mass murderers in the history of mankind
were never charged with a crime either. So, hey, that's all the proof
we need. Stalin was a saint.

It's already been prove the Rooney control all the local press. You won't
find any dirt on them, because no media outlets will report on any even
if it existed. I don't believe they are still acting within the mob, but you
won't read anything about that part of their past in the Post Gazzete any
time soon.

You're a flaming idiot, calling Art Rooney a mobster!

Just for the record, I've probably forgot more about the mob than you'll ever know. I'm quite aware of how Rooney often had to associate with people of questionable repute doing business in the world of boxing and horse racing. In order to get things done I'm sure there were times he had to get his hands slightly muddy.

But the fact is he always managed to stay on the right side of the law, no arrests and no suggestion of wrongdoing by people who could have profited by his downfall.

and more to the point Rooney was known for his loyalty to his faith,, his family, his friends, and his team. He didn't betray any of them ever!

You're man Stonio betrayed ever member of that team more than once.

And oh yeah, we also missed the playoffs 2 out of the 4 seasons your Mr. wonderfull was on the team. so I'm having a hard time believing that he was the difference maker you make him out to be.

[zulater]

Originally Posted by thumper

This entire assertion is ridiculous. As if you know what happened in any
meetings between the two. And as if a broken promise has to end up
in trading the player for peanuts. Broken promises happen every day;
they don't have to end the total relationship. If they did, the divorce rate
would explode by 100,000%

Guess what, they got rid of him didn't they. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it didn't make sense to the people in power, because they sure as hell flushed him as quick as they could!

They got rid of him "100,000%" in fact.

[thumper]

You're a flaming idiot, calling Art Rooney a mobster!

OK, I believe you have just broken rules for this message board.
There are to be no personal attacks. You just broke this rule. Either
apologize or risk risk a temporary ban. Mods please note.

Just for the record, I've probably forgot more about the mob than you'll ever know.

LMAO. First of all, how would you even know? You know nothing about me.
Secondly, I am not sure that is something to be proud of. That is like saying,
"I know more about the business of dealing crack than you will ever know."

I'm quite aware of how Rooney often had to associate with people of questionable repute doing business in the world of boxing and horse racing. In order to get things done I'm sure there were times he had to get his hands slightly muddy.

"Slightly muddy?" Boy, you aren't very up on the world of the Irish Mob and
gambling are you? It wasn't uncommon for people to be murdered. Any
association with that sure isn't just slightly muddy.

But the fact is he always managed to stay on the right side of the law, no arrests and no suggestion of wrongdoing by people who could have profited by his downfall.

LMAO. No arrests mean lily white? Stalin wasn't arrested either. He was all
good then by your definition.

and more to the point Rooney was known for his loyalty to his faith,, his family, his friends, and his team. He didn't betray any of them ever!

Ever see "Road to Perdition?" After you do get back to me. That movie was
accurate in it's portrayal of Irish mob life.

You're man Stonio betrayed ever member of that team more than once.

Then so did Big Ben; got a problem with him being on the team?

And oh yeah, we also missed the playoffs 2 out of the 4 seasons your Mr. wonderfull was on the team. so I'm having a hard time believing that he was the difference maker you make him out to be.

So the value of a WR is based on if his team makes the play offs or not, and
not on being a Super Bowl MVP? So, using your "logic" Andre Johnson is a shit
WR. So is Brandon Lloyd. So is Larry Fitzgerald. So is Calvin Johnson. So are many other awesome WRs. Do you see how laughable your logic is....well, I guess we can't even label it as "logic" because it is so embarrassingly far away from being any where near logic.

[thumper]

Originally Posted by zulater

Guess what, they got rid of him didn't they. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it didn't make sense to the people in power, because they sure as hell flushed him as quick as they could!

They got rid of him "100,000%" in fact.

I am embarrassed for you. Sad thing is, you have no clue how sad
your attempt at debate is. No idea.