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Old 06-27-2011, 03:28 PM   #1
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Default the QB arrogance and the price

The period of time between Terry Bradshaw and Big Ben marks
a time where the Steelers, as a whole, seemed to be out to prove
that you don't need a high draft pick, or big name FA, to take care of
the QB position. I would hope, that, in hindsight, the team now realizes
we only won titles with a franchise QB - and that we NEVER won a title
without one, in that 25 years of darkness of no Lombardi. Is it a coincidence
that in that period, they had some great teams, but always lacked a
franchise QB?

There have been teams who won a SB without a franchise QB, but they
are the exception, not the rule. For every Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer,
there are a truck load of Aikmans, Elways, Bradys, Montanas, Bradshaws,
et al. who won SBs as franchise QBs.

So who did Pgh pass up before they finally wised up and drafted Ben?

In 1983 Pgh selected Gabe Rivera passing up Marino. (Yes, I know Dan
never won a SB, but do you really think he wouldn't have won one if he
played for Pgh?) Gabe suffered that car accident so we don't know what
we would have had with him if not for that.

In 1984 the chose Louie Lipps when Boomer Esiason was on the board.
I'm not huge Boomer fan, as he tends to get upset and angry and
make dumb predictions as a commentator, but Boomer would have
given us a far better chance at a ring than what we ended up with. Of
course, Lipps had a good career as well. We just had no QB worth a
shit during his entire career. We also passed on Jeff Hostetler over
Chris Kolodziejski. Hoss went on to win a SB as a Giant. In the 7th round
Pgh did draft QB Scott Campbell....proving you don't need to draft a QB
high in order to win another ring. Oh wait. Forget about that.

In 1985 they drafted Daryl Simms over Randal Cunningham. Simms
was a bum. Randal went on to have a long, successful career, but no
ring. But he still was QB on a lot of good teams.

In 1986 they took Bubby in the 3rd round. Really, nothing worth drafting
QB wise other than Jim Everett who went with the 3rd pick. Can't fault them
for that draft.

In 1987 they took Woodson over Jim Harbaugh. Good call.

1988, they draft Aaron Jones - BUM, BUST. But no QB jumps out from then
either.

1989 - Tom Rickets.

1990 - Took Eric Green and took O'Donnell in the 3rd round. Can't say
that was dumb.

1991 - Pgh passed on Brett Favre to take Huey Richardson. Anything even
need said?

You get the picture. Let's just say I hope to never hear comments like
Cowher's "We are just fine at QB" when the unit only contained QBs
such as Kordell, Tomczak, Kent Graham and the like. I hope the
team learned it's lesson: You need a good QB to contend in a real
way, the vast majority of the time.
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Old 06-27-2011, 03:44 PM   #2
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Default Re: the QB arrogance and the price

QB has always been the key and in today's NFL is more important than ever. It can be done with a game manager, but the team must be solid everywhere else. We almost did it with O'Donnell and that season he was a game manager. He only threw 6 picks the whole season. Problem was he matched that total (6) INT's in the 3 playoff games including 2 crucial ones in the SuperBowl.
It is no coincidence the Steelers went 25 years without a title. They had teams that were good enough to contend, but they lacked the key position.
I've already been thinking about what this team will do to replace Ben in the next 5 or 6 years. 7 seasons have already passed since they drafted him and with the pounding he takes, I doubt he'll make it another 7.
Does anybody think we win the 05 SB with Tommy Maddox at the helm? I know Ben had a horrid game against the Hawks, but he was close to flawless going through the playoffs.
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Old 06-28-2011, 01:29 PM   #3
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QB has always been the key and in today's NFL is more important than ever. It can be done with a game manager, but the team must be solid everywhere else. We almost did it with O'Donnell and that season he was a game manager. He only threw 6 picks the whole season. Problem was he matched that total (6) INT's in the 3 playoff games including 2 crucial ones in the SuperBowl.
It is no coincidence the Steelers went 25 years without a title. They had teams that were good enough to contend, but they lacked the key position.
I've already been thinking about what this team will do to replace Ben in the next 5 or 6 years. 7 seasons have already passed since they drafted him and with the pounding he takes, I doubt he'll make it another 7.
Does anybody think we win the 05 SB with Tommy Maddox at the helm? I know Ben had a horrid game against the Hawks, but he was close to flawless going through the playoffs.
I just hope Pgh never again thinks they can thumb their nose at the position
and think they can contend with "game managers" again. I don't know what
made them think so arrogantly about not having to stress on the QB position,
but since Ben, it has become beyond obvious that a franchise, play making
QB make contending a hell of a lot easier. Without a legit QB, what did they do
for 25 years? And a lot of those teams were stacked. 1 Super Bowl appearance,
no wins, lots of high seeds in the post season where they could never take
advantage of it, ala Marty Shottenheimer, Cowher's mentor.

In the much shorter window WITH a legit QB? TWO Super Bowl rings, another
appearance and a few other shots at it.

They should bow down to Ben. Without him, we would still have our most
fresh SB win from 1979.
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Old 07-11-2011, 02:35 PM   #4
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No doubt that we wouldn't have made it to the Super Bowl this year, or the last 2 SB wins without Ben. You see a lot of teams try to win with a "game managing" QB, it can be done once at best, but never twice. At least these days. I doubt we will see a "game managing" QB win a SB ANYTIME soon.
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Old 07-11-2011, 04:20 PM   #5
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I honestly feel with Marino we would have atleast 2 probably 3 more rings!
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Its easy to project what a QB would have won but I don't think it would have changed much.
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Speaking of Ben, have you seen the YouTube spoof of his wedding? Freakin Hilarious!
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It doesn't work that way. You can't just put a star quarterback on another team and say they would have won X Super Bowls. I mean sure, if we had the exact same team and had him behind center. But realistically, if we drafted Marino, our front office would have drafted players around him and not our defense. It's similar to what the Colts do today. Instead of spending first round picks on there supposed 'mediocre defense' that gets the blame when Manning averages 14 points in his playoff losses, they draft guys like Donald Brown, Joseph Addai, Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, two tackles (this year), etc. etc.
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i think we would have won one earlier if o'donnell stayed in pittsburgh. yes he had a major choke in his sb appearance but if he stayed with the team he would have had another shot or 2.

o'donnell gets an unfair share of hate imo, between the bradshaw & ben era, he was the only qb who gave us a shot of winning it all
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i think we would have won one earlier if o'donnell stayed in pittsburgh. yes he had a major choke in his sb appearance but if he stayed with the team he would have had another shot or 2.

o'donnell gets an unfair share of hate imo, between the bradshaw & ben era, he was the only qb who gave us a shot of winning it all
True. He's the 3rd best QB we've had by far. A distant 3rd to Ben and Bradshaw. But I couldn't even begin to tell you who I thought the 4th best QB we've had is.
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