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Old 07-08-2011, 01:17 PM   #1
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Default How long before you can judge a draft?

I would say a few years after the draft you can judge the picks, as
a general rule of thumb.

2009 1 1 32 32 Ziggy Hood DT Missouri - Great pick
2 3 15 79 Kraig Urbik T Wisconsin - Shit pick
3 3 20 84 Mike Wallace WR Mississippi - GREAT pick
4 3 32 96 Keenan Lewis DB Oregon State - Shit
5 5 32 168 Joe Burnett DB Central Florida - Shit
6 5 33 169 Frank Summers RB UNLV - Shit
7 6 32 205 Ra'Shon Harris DT Oregon - Shit
8 7 17 226 A.Q. Shipley C Penn State - Shit
9 7 32 241 David Johnson TE Arkansas State - OK

2 great picks, 7 shit, 1 OK. Grade - B

2008 1 1 23 23 Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois - Good
2 2 22 53 Limas Sweed WR Texas - Shit
3 3 25 88 Bruce Davis LB UCLA - double shit
4 4 31 130 Tony Hills T Texas - C-
5 5 21 156 Dennis Dixon QB Oregon - Pending
6 6 22 188 Mike Humpal LB Iowa - Shit
7 6 28 194 Ryan Mundy DB West Virginia - Shit

1 good, 1 C-, 1 pending, 4 shit. C+

2007 1 1 15 15 Lawrence Timmons LB Florida State - Good
2 2 14 46 LaMarr Woodley DE Michigan - Great
3 3 13 77 Matt Spaeth TE Minnesota - shit
4 4 13 112 Daniel Sepulveda P Baylor - Too high
5 4 33 132 Ryan McBean DE Oklahoma State - Shit
6 5 19 156 Cameron Stephenson G Rutgers - Shit
7 5 33 170 William Gay DB Louisville - OK
8 7 17 227 Dallas Baker WR Florida - Shit

1 great, 1 good1 OK, 5 shit. B.

2006 1 1 25 25 Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State - Great
2 3 19 83 Anthony Smith DB Syracuse - shit
3 3 31 95 Willie Reid WR Florida State - shit
4 4 34 131 Willie Colon G Hofstra - OK
5 4 36 133 Orien Harris DT Miami (FL) - Shit
6 5 32 164 Omar Jacobs QB Bowling Green - Shit
7 5 35 167 Charles Davis TE Purdue - Shit
8 6 32 201 Marvin Philip C California - Shit
9 7 32 240 Cedric Humes RB Virginia Tech - Shit

1 Great, 1 OK, 7 shit. C

2005 1 1 30 30 Heath Miller TE Virginia - Great
2 2 30 62 Bryant McFadden DB Florida State - Solid
3 3 29 93 Trai Essex T Northwestern - OK
4 4 30 131 Fred Gibson WR Georgia - Shit
5 5 30 166 Rian Wallace LB Temple - Shit
6 6 30 204 Chris Kemoeatu G Utah - Good
7 7 14 228 Shaun Nua DE Brigham Young - Shit
8 7 30 244 Noah Herron RB Northwestern - So so

B

2004 1 1 11 11 Ben Roethlisberger QB Miami (OH) - Superior
2 2 6 38 Ricardo Colclough DB Tusculum - Shit
3 3 12 75 Max Starks T Florida - Very good
4 5 13 145 Nathaniel Adibi DE Virginia Tech - Shit
5 6 12 177 Bo Lacy T Arkansas - Shit
6 6 29 194 Matt Kranchick TE Penn State - Shit
7 6 32 197 Drew Caylor C Stanford - Shit
8 7 11 212 Eric Taylor DT Memphis - Shit

B+
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Default Re: How long before you can judge a draft?

The 2009 draft was one of the worst of all time. Ziggy Hood was not a great pick. He was a prototypical 4-3 DT that was totally undersized for our scheme. It took him two years to learn one of the easiest positions in the NFL and quite frankly, he's only been good for the last half of last season. He spent the whole 2009 season on his ass and getting pushed backwards. Everyone they picked were reaches. They got extremely lucky with Wallace.

2008 with Mendenhall was a better draft at the time. Mendenhall and Sweed were both steal picks even though one only panned out.

2010 and 2011 were probably the best drafts on paper. You can't really give the Steelers C grades because they usually get what they need at a position even though it's usually one or two guys out of the bunch. You can't name another team that does better.
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2008 was a horrible draft. 4-5 Probowl backs were selected after Fumblenhall. Ryan Mundy may be the only one of the bunch that gets an extension.
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2008 was a horrible draft. 4-5 Probowl backs were selected after Fumblenhall. Ryan Mundy may be the only one of the bunch that gets an extension.
Mendenhall, as a prospect, was the 2nd best back in that draft class behind McFadden. It was a steal to pick him up in the 20s. He's a great back and needs to be utilized in the passing game more.
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I don't agree with some of you "shit" assessments. The Kraig Urbik wasn't given a chance in Pittsburgh and was cut without ever getting a shot to prove he could play. He went to Buffalo and played very well there...hell our O-Line coach spoke very highly of him and it was noted by the Post that Urbik became a good starter under our coach for the Bills.

And Spaeth? He has been a solid blocker and for the most part has had very dependable hands. I don't understand how you say shit. I would say Ok pick and still pending for more. Then you list Sepulveda too high and William Gay Ok? If we waited we wouldn't have got good old #9 and Gay was a TERRIBLE pick, he is one of the worst CB in the NFL.

I think you can look at the 2006 maybe the 2007 drafts but you should really give a draft 5 years or so to see who develops.
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I don't agree with some of you "shit" assessments. The Kraig Urbik wasn't given a chance in Pittsburgh and was cut without ever getting a shot to prove he could play. He went to Buffalo and played very well there...hell our O-Line coach spoke very highly of him and it was noted by the Post that Urbik became a good starter under our coach for the Bills.

And Spaeth? He has been a solid blocker and for the most part has had very dependable hands. I don't understand how you say shit. I would say Ok pick and still pending for more. Then you list Sepulveda too high and William Gay Ok? If we waited we wouldn't have got good old #9 and Gay was a TERRIBLE pick, he is one of the worst CB in the NFL.

I think you can look at the 2006 maybe the 2007 drafts but you should really give a draft 5 years or so to see who develops.
Gay is not a terrible pick...imo
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Gay is not a terrible pick...imo
Gay is not terrible? What team have you watched? vs New England he allowed 3 TD...3! He has been benched multiple times in multiple seasons, he is a terrible tackler and couldn't cover Betty White is she was walking in a hallway. TERRIBLE.
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He is a 7th round pick...The terrible part is we have NOBODY any better at coverage minus Ike....And we might not have him!
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The 2009 draft was one of the worst of all time. Ziggy Hood was not a great pick. He was a prototypical 4-3 DT that was totally undersized for our scheme. It took him two years to learn one of the easiest positions in the NFL and quite frankly, he's only been good for the last half of last season. He spent the whole 2009 season on his ass and getting pushed backwards. Everyone they picked were reaches. They got extremely lucky with Wallace.

2008 with Mendenhall was a better draft at the time. Mendenhall and Sweed were both steal picks even though one only panned out.

2010 and 2011 were probably the best drafts on paper. You can't really give the Steelers C grades because they usually get what they need at a position even though it's usually one or two guys out of the bunch. You can't name another team that does better.
On one hand you say the 2009 draft was HORRIBLE, and that Hood
is not a good pick and he sucks. And then on the other you say
you can't give Pgh a C grade because they always get who they
need. I'm confused. Which is it?
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Gay is not terrible? What team have you watched? vs New England he allowed 3 TD...3! He has been benched multiple times in multiple seasons, he is a terrible tackler and couldn't cover Betty White is she was walking in a hallway. TERRIBLE.
Gay is fine is not asked to play outside. He is a slot/nickel CB. When he
plays his natural position, he does fine. Forced to play outside? He
struggles. Key is to not have him play outside and he is worth having
around. He was only FORCED to play outside because of B-Mac's
injuries. How many times do we have to go over this?
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