Not so fast

[Atlanta Dan]

Originally Posted by cloppbeast

A dose of common sense.

If the Steelers make the playoffs, it will be because of their schedule not because they actually deserve it. That's the way I see it now.

Of course, they could get better, but I highly doubt it for a mutlitude of reasons.

Thanks for sharing - now that I know how the season will turn out i can spend my Sundays through February doing something other than watching the games

[tanda10506]

Originally Posted by cloppbeast

Not much has changed with the Steelers, and that's the problem.They're essentially the same team a year older, with a worse offensive line, a rule change which will hurt their dumbass quarterback

Now Ben is a dumbass on top of being crappy? Have you watched the Steelers much the last 6 years?

[cloppbeast]

Originally Posted by Atlanta Dan

Thanks for sharing - now that I know how the season will turn out i can spend my Sundays through February doing something other than watching the games

lol. Sorry for sharing my opinion. I suppose I should just do what everybody else does and say the Steelers "came out flat" or some other stupid cliche that doesn't mean anything.

Of course, my opinion could be wrong, just as yours could be. That's why they play. We make prediction to see if they come true. Hopefully mine is wrong.

[cloppbeast]

Originally Posted by tanda10506

Now Ben is a dumbass on top of being crappy? Have you watched the Steelers much the last 6 years?

I don't think Ben sucks, although that's the word I used previously. I should change it.

I just don't think he's as good as everybody else thinks. He's probably a top-10 QB, maybe just outside.

And yes, he is a dumbass. Anybody who's potentially worth $100 million dollars and a) rides a crotch rocket without a helmet, b) not one year following one sexual assalt charge, fornicates with an underage college girl, who was 'DTF', in a bathroom with a guard watching the door or c) hasn't learned how to get rid of the ball before getting pounded by 300 lb linemen 50 times a year, as far as I'm concerned, such a person is a dumbass.

[kirklandrules]

Originally Posted by cloppbeast

lol. great response.

I didn't know we were discussing whether or not I should watch the game. I thought we were discussing whether or not we should be excited about a win agaisnt the Seahawks.

I must have posted in the wrong thread.

My bad ... I'm posting between meetings and took your response to be about the upcoming game. I've heard some gabbing about the Colts stinking it up this year without Manning, then drafting Luck as Mannings future replacement.

I agree that basically winning against a bad Seahawks team doesn't produce a ton of excitement. But I'm still glad they handled their business and are 1-1. A few years ago, the Patriots blistered the Steelers early in the season, then the Steelers lost to the lowly Raiders (in a game they were projected to win easily). So, not repeating that scene and showing improvement sure is a plus.

[tanda10506]

Originally Posted by cloppbeast

I don't think Ben sucks, although that's the word I used previously. I should change it.

I just don't think he's as good as everybody else thinks. He's probably a top-10 QB, maybe just outside.

And yes, he is a dumbass. Anybody who's potentially worth $100 million dollars and a) rides a crotch rocket without a helmet, b) not one year following one sexual assalt charge, fornicates with an underage college girl, who was 'DTF', in a bathroom with a guard watching the door or c) hasn't learned how to get rid of the ball before getting pounded by 300 lb linemen 50 times a year, as far as I'm concerned, such a person is a dumbass.

You didnt say he sucked, you said Ward sucked and Ben was "crappy". Ben is underrated by most non Steeler fans, and most NFL experts have him in the top 5 since he wins ALMOST all the important games and has no offensive line whatsoever. Point c that you made I don't think is his fault, usually he is lucky to get 2 seconds to throw and most of the passing plays that we run take longer then 2 seconds to develop. As far as points a and b, I didn't realise you were referring to off the field actions too, so in that case, I would agree with you, although I don't think he will have those problems in the future.

[cloppbeast]

Originally Posted by kirklandrules

My bad ... I'm posting between meetings and took your response to be about the upcoming game. I've heard some gabbing about the Colts stinking it up this year without Manning, then drafting Luck as Mannings future replacement.

That would be a good idea for Indy in my opinion.

I agree that basically winning against a bad Seahawks team doesn't produce a ton of excitement. But I'm still glad they handled their business and are 1-1. A few years ago, the Patriots blistered the Steelers early in the season, then the Steelers lost to the lowly Raiders (in a game they were projected to win easily). So, not repeating that scene and showing improvement sure is a plus.

I'm glad they won, but I expected it. I hope they get something figured out soon. Offensively, they need to learn how to run the ball, first and foremost. They will need to face the fact Ben isn't the type of quarterback to take control of a game and win it. He needs a running game to be successful.

[Dodens Grav]

Originally Posted by cloppbeast

lol. Sorry for sharing my opinion. I suppose I should just do what everybody else does and say the Steelers "came out flat" or some other stupid cliche that doesn't mean anything.

Of course, my opinion could be wrong, just as yours could be. That's why they play. We make prediction to see if they come true. Hopefully mine is wrong.

Most people use their eyes and their brains, not their asses, to formulate coherent observations.

[cloppbeast]

Originally Posted by tanda10506

Ben is underrated by most non Steeler fans, and most NFL experts have him in the top 5 since he wins ALMOST all the important games and has no offensive line whatsoever

No offensive line? I guess a little hyperbole never hurt anybody.

I am extremely reluctant to give him much credit for winning "most" of the important games he's been in during his carreer. If Alex Smith played alongside one of the lowest scoring defenses year in and year out, he would probably also win many of the important games he plays as well.

When a quarterback only needs to score between 10 and 20 points to win, I won't give him much credit for winning. Sorry.

Point c that you made I don't think is his fault, usually he is lucky to get 2 seconds to throw and most of the passing plays that we run take longer then 2 seconds to develop.

The facts disagree with you on this matter. I'll try to find them later this evening for you.

Simply put, he doesn't get sacked 50 times a season with less than 2 seconds to throw. Most of his sacks come after about 10 pump fakes and running around like a chicken with his head cut off refusing to throw the ball away.

As far as points a and b, I didn't realise you were referring to off the field actions too, so in that case, I would agree with you, although I don't think he will have those problems in the future.

Fair enough. Off the field issues still say something about his decision making ability in general. But, perhaps I'm just passing personal judgement. My bad.

[ETL]

God, I didn't know that one person's neurotic babbling can last 14 pages....

To the pessamists (wicked, rooney, etc...) - statistically, in the end, there is a good chance that you will be proven right. Why? Because only 1 team will win the SB and that means that 31 out of 32 teams and their fans have some basis for griping. So gripe on, go kick your dog and tell us, "I told you so" and blah, blah, blah, ... (wow, what a miserable existence)

To the optimists - i'm with you and we are all stupid because there is a 96.8% chance that our beloved Steelers will either not make the playoffs or lose the last game. But we will eternally hope and cling on to that 3.2%. It is that 3.2% that makes me watch every sunday, that makes me celebrate wins over lousy opponents like the seahags - no matter what anyone else says and that makes me root for old fogies like Hines Ward and Aaron Smith. Sure, we're on the wrong end of the statistics but its a lot more fun being on this end than the other.