Why register with the Steelers Fever Forums?
 • Intelligent and friendly discussions.
 • It's free and it's quick. Always.
 • Enter events in the forums calendar.
 • Very user friendly software.
 • Exclusive contests and giveaways.

 Donate to Steelers Fever, Click here
 Our 2014 Goal: $450.00 - To Date: $450.00 (100.00%)
 Home | Forums | Editorials | Shop | Tickets | Downloads | Contact Pittsburgh Steelers Forum Feed Not Just Fans. Hardcore Fans.

Go Back   Steelers Fever Forums > Steelers Football > Pittsburgh Steelers


Steelers Fever Fan Shop

Doc's Sports Get FREE NFL Picks and College Football picks as well as Football Lines like live NFL Lines and updated NFL Power Rankings all at Doc's Sports Service.

Steelers

LOL

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old 09-22-2011, 03:59 PM   #151
effyou515
Draft Prospect
 
effyou515's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: east metro Atlanta
Posts: 121
Gender: Male
Member Number: 18713
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Not so fast

i hope the Stealers didn't lose the ability win ugly this year like they did in games in the past.
effyou515 is offline  
Old 09-22-2011, 10:27 PM   #152
steelerjim58
Bench Warmer
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 202
Member Number: 14701
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Not so fast

Quote:
Originally Posted by cloppbeast View Post
This ridiculous hypothetical never gets applied both ways. When you go on and on about Ben's two Super Bowls, you never mention he's had one of the most dominant defenses of all time. Yet of course, you'll use the situational excuses to downgrade those whom you want to downgrade. Selective logic at its best.

Clearly you didn't watch many of the Colts' games last year. They had an equally bad, if not worse, offensive line than Ben's. Which explains why they used their first 2 draft picks on offensive tackes.

Kerry Collins has already taken 5 sacks against teams not known for their front seven, putting him on pace for 40 on the season. Once the Colts start playing better defenses, the pace will surely increase, starting this week with the Steelers.

Manning, on the other hand, only took 16 sacks last year, despite having a lack-luster offensive line. He knows how to get rid of the damn ball!



.

In almost half as many seasons, Ben has already taken 50 more sacks than Manning. You think this is solely because he has a worse offensive line?

How about Tom Brady? During his record breaking season, he attempted 578 passes taking 21 sacks. The very next season, Matt Cassell, utilizing the same offensive line, took 47 sacks on 510 attempts. And Matt Cassell, by the way, is a half decent starting quarterback.

Instead of just arbitrarily and subjectively comparing situations to come to whatever conclusion you want, perhaps you should just look at the facts. Comparing how different quarterbacks handle the same situation, you should see the quarterback throwing the ball has a lot more to do with it than the offensive line protecting him.

Your arbitrary hypotheticals are ridiculous. If you really think Tom Brady wouldn't do better on the Steelers than Ben, then I'm glad you aren't running the Steelers.
You are a long winded one arent you. And you certainly like to look up stats. Brady has had possibly the greatest protection ever given a qb. Add to that the fact that the patriots dink and dunk like no other team, of course his sack numbers would be low. As for Manning, he has had very good protection also. Granted he will throw the ball away in a heartbeat. And still, if you think with nothing else changing brady would put up any where near the numbers he is in new england if he were with the Steelers, you are an idiot.

And with that, allow me to take the low road here, F*** you.
steelerjim58 is offline  
Old 09-22-2011, 10:48 PM   #153
tony hipchest
IRONMAN a.k.a. Tony Stark
Supporter
 
tony hipchest's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Give me back my game...
Posts: 40,302
Member Number: 658
Thanks: 2,313
Thanked 10,359 Times in 4,302 Posts
Default Re: Not so fast

Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerjim58 View Post
And with that, allow me to take the low road here, F*** you.
allow me to take an even lower road here and laugh.

this constant patriot nut guzzling that has recently infected this board is quite sickenning.

all these raven and patriot frontrunners need to do the rest of us a big favor, hang up their fan card for the year, and call it a season.
__________________
tony hipchest is offline  
Old 09-22-2011, 10:48 PM   #154
WickedSteel
Banned
 

Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 548
Member Number: 17099
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Not so fast

Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerjim58 View Post
You are a long winded one arent you. And you certainly like to look up stats. Brady has had possibly the greatest protection ever given a qb. Add to that the fact that the patriots dink and dunk like no other team, of course his sack numbers would be low. As for Manning, he has had very good protection also. Granted he will throw the ball away in a heartbeat. And still, if you think with nothing else changing brady would put up any where near the numbers he is in new england if he were with the Steelers, you are an idiot.

And with that, allow me to take the low road here, F*** you.
Lovely.

You bring up the point that some of us are trying to make. Brady, Manning and Brees have game plans in place that have them getting rid of the ball in a hurry to keep pressure off of them. They spread defenses out and force LBs to cover RBs and TEs as well as safeties covering WRs. They then proceed to dink and dunk and keep backing defenses up. The more a defense starts getting picked apart, the more they back off blitzing and pressuring and instead keep dropping into coverage. This then allows the offense to start catching them off guard with some runs here and there. They basically use the pass to set up the run which is opposite to what most teams do. Add to the fact that dropping into coverage constantly and chasing receivers all over the field, wears down defenses in a hurry.

We all know that the Steelers have a porous O line that is always in flux. What gets me is that the game plan never changes. They have speedy receivers that can run quick slants and screens and RBs that can catch passes out of the backfield yet they continue to have Ben drop back and wait, looking for those 60 yard bombs down the field. It just seems like thing could be done to counteract the poor O line play but nothing changes.

The NFL has changed whether we like it or not and to be competitive the Steelers need to adapt. That doesn't mean that they can't have an effective running game, it just means that scoring points is at a premium in the NFL now. The rules have been changed to encourage more passing and more scoring because Goodell thinks that is what fans want to see. THAT is why I have a hard time understanding why the Steelers keep avoiding addressing the O line and secondary issues. In fact, I say screw the secondary because the way the rules are, they aren't allowed to play football anyway. No, just load up on offense and outscore your opponent every week.

It's no coincidence that the Steelers won their two recent SBs by going with a more pass happy attack. That is why the Pats, Saints, Packers and Colts have all won recently too. Teams like the Ravens and Jets who are run first offenses haven't made it there have they? That is because you need to score points to win these games. You simply aren't going to be able to beat the Saints, Packers, Pats and Colts with a 10-3 or 13-10 score. They will score points on you and you need to score in order to win.

With the aging defense that the Steelers have, the offense needs to have long, successful drives to take the pressure off of them. It doesn't matter if you run the ball or dink and dunk pass it up the field, sustained drives to keep the defense fresh are important.

Look, we aren't saying that the Steelers suck and I will root for them till the day I die even through the inevitable 6-10 and 5-11 seasons to come. We are simply stating areas that the Steelers need to improve in or adapt in to keep their competitiveness in a changing game. Basically, if they don't have a good O line, find ways for Ben to get rid of the ball earlier and keep him from getting pounded. I was under the impression that Arians and Ben were working on this in training camp but have yet to see it in a game.
WickedSteel is offline  
Old 09-22-2011, 11:58 PM   #155
ricardisimo
Administrator
 
ricardisimo's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Lalaland
Posts: 5,446
Gender: Male
Member Number: 15369
Thanks: 339
Thanked 902 Times in 434 Posts
Default Re: Not so fast

Quote:
Originally Posted by tony hipchest View Post
allow me to take an even lower road here and laugh.

this constant patriot nut guzzling that has recently infected this board is quite sickenning.

all these raven and patriot frontrunners need to do the rest of us a big favor, hang up their fan card for the year, and call it a season.
Tom Brady is hawt and you know it.
__________________
Why does God hate amputees?
ricardisimo is offline  
Old 09-23-2011, 12:27 AM   #156
tony hipchest
IRONMAN a.k.a. Tony Stark
Supporter
 
tony hipchest's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Give me back my game...
Posts: 40,302
Member Number: 658
Thanks: 2,313
Thanked 10,359 Times in 4,302 Posts
Default Re: Not so fast

Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardisimo View Post
Tom Brady is hawt and you know it.
]
he will be much hawter at the end of the season with all of dan marino's records to go along with his 4 shiny superbowl rings.

i can already see some of our membership turning up on other boards with cute screen names such as" WickedPatriot" and "BobKraft"
__________________
tony hipchest is offline  
Old 09-23-2011, 12:35 AM   #157
WickedSteel
Banned
 

Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 548
Member Number: 17099
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Not so fast

What the hell are you talking about??? I think Tom Brady is a dick of the highest level. I despise him and Rivers more than any other QBs because of their sideline tirades and arrogant behavior.

I want the Steelers to succeed. I want Ben to have 3 rings just like Brady and shut up the haters. I want the Steelers to play their brand of defensive football and shut teams down.

I am simply laying out the blueprint for what makes teams like the Pats and Packers successful. No nut guzzling here, just pointing things out. THIS is the NFL today and to be successful, you need key areas addressed. As of now the Steelers have not addressed those areas.

We'll see how things go in Indy Sunday night and go from there. Honestly, if the Steelers can't rush for 120+ yards against them and if Ben gets dumped over and over by Freeny and Mathis, it will spell a long season for the Steelers. I also expect them to score at least 28 against Indy. Anything less will not look good against a very mediocre defense.
WickedSteel is offline  
Old 09-23-2011, 12:39 AM   #158
ricardisimo
Administrator
 
ricardisimo's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Lalaland
Posts: 5,446
Gender: Male
Member Number: 15369
Thanks: 339
Thanked 902 Times in 434 Posts
Default Re: Not so fast

Quote:
Originally Posted by WickedSteel View Post
What the hell are you talking about??? I think Tom Brady is a dick of the highest level. I despise him and Rivers more than any other QBs because of their sideline tirades and arrogant behavior.

I want the Steelers to succeed. I want Ben to have 3 rings just like Brady and shut up the haters. I want the Steelers to play their brand of defensive football and shut teams down.

I am simply laying out the blueprint for what makes teams like the Pats and Packers successful. No nut guzzling here, just pointing things out. THIS is the NFL today and to be successful, you need key areas addressed. As of now the Steelers have not addressed those areas.

We'll see how things go in Indy Sunday night and go from there. Honestly, if the Steelers can't rush for 120+ yards against them and if Ben gets dumped over and over by Freeny and Mathis, it will spell a long season for the Steelers. I also expect them to score at least 28 against Indy. Anything less will not look good against a very mediocre defense.
But you're missing a very important and very basic point: the Steelers own the blueprint for success in the NFL over the past decade if not the past four decades. Not the Cheats. Not Indy. Not the Packers. The Steelers.
__________________
Why does God hate amputees?
ricardisimo is offline  
Old 09-23-2011, 01:05 AM   #159
MACH1
Quest For Seven
Supporter
 
MACH1's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Potataho
Posts: 14,772
Member Number: 3236
Thanks: 2,033
Thanked 6,251 Times in 2,297 Posts
Default Re: Not so fast

Quote:
Originally Posted by tony hipchest View Post
he will be much hawter at the end of the season with all of dan marino's records to go along with his 4 shiny superbowl rings.

i can already see some of our membership turning up on other boards with cute screen names such as" WickedPatriot" and "BobKraft"
TomsWadGobbler
__________________


ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
MACH1 is offline  
Old 09-23-2011, 01:06 AM   #160
Steelersfan87
Assistant Coach
 

Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,476
Member Number: 18585
Thanks: 14
Thanked 40 Times in 30 Posts
Default Re: Not so fast

I'm pretty sure drafting a new starting center and tackle in the past two years qualifies as addressing the offensive line.
Steelersfan87 is offline  
Closed Thread

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:43 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Shoutbox provided by vBShout v6.2.1 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.0.8 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.
Navbar with Avatar by Motorradforum
no new posts