Not so fast

[Atlanta Dan]

Originally Posted by cloppbeast

I didn't say you were myopic.

I said:

"That's a pretty myopic way to look at it, IMO."

I did not flat out call you myopic. I said that in my opinion, your reasoning is myopic.

Your view is myopic in my opinion because you discount Ryan and Romo solely because they haven't won as many playoff games. You fail to consider everything else that goes into winning a playoff game which is out of the quarterback's control. Teams win without good quarterback play, and a quarterback can play a great game and still lose. So wins and losses aren't the end all be all you propose. The Steelers don't win solely because of Ben, and the Cowboys don't lose solely because of Romo. So, it's illogical to assume Ben is better than Romo solely because Ben's team has won play off games.

What is your measure - which QB you would date if you were a woman?

Walk me through your metrics for the superiority of Romo or Ryan

[Dodens Grav]

Wow, this thread moves way too damn fast for me to keep up.

[cloppbeast]

Originally Posted by ricardisimo

But it's safe to assume, at this point in his career, that Romo is a big-game choker. Whether he does or does not "carry" his team to the big games, he certainly is the one who loses them. That's a big difference with Ben. And Rivers is fast approaching that territory as well.

Ben's team has carried him through at least 3 playoff wins, a benefit few quarterbacks have received. If winning Super Bowls was based solely on quarterback play, Ben would certainly have no more than one SB, and maybe not any.

An no, I don't agree Romo is a big-game choker. He's played 4 play-off games and choked in one of them, unless you're going to blame him for his first play-off loss against Seattle when he bobbled the ball as a place holder. (I don't blame him. That was just poor coaching. There's a reason starting quarterbacks don't serve as place-holders. He should have never even been in on that play. He put his team in position to win as quarterback, perhaps choked as the place-holder. Maybe they needed a new place holder....)

[cloppbeast]

Originally Posted by Atlanta Dan

What is your measure - which QB you would date if you were a woman?

Walk me through your metrics for the superiority of Romo or Ryan

If I were a woman, I would probably go out with Romo over Ryan. Romo has a rugged Favre-esk 5-day beard, but a boyish charm. Ryan looks like a giraffe.

What about you?

[ricardisimo]

Originally Posted by cloppbeast

Ben's team has carried him through at least 3 playoff wins, a benefit few quarterbacks have received. If winning Super Bowls was based solely on quarterback play, Ben would certainly have no more than one SB, and maybe not any.

An no, I don't agree Romo is a big-game choker. He's played 4 play-off games and choked in one of them, unless you're going to blame him for his first play-off loss against Seattle when he bobbled the ball as a place holder. (I don't blame him. That was just poor coaching. There's a reason starting quarterbacks don't serve as place-holders. He should have never even been in on that play. He put his team in position to win as quarterback, perhaps choked as the place-holder. Maybe they needed a new place holder....)

He blew the Giants game in 2007, and he blew the Vikings game a few years ago. He's also lost several late-season win-and-you're-in games, as I recall. I despise the Cowboys though, and so I honestly haven't paid that much attention to them. I'm giddy as a schoolgirl whenever Jerry Jones spends tons of money on a player only to have them not pan out.

[cloppbeast]

Originally Posted by ricardisimo

He blew the Giants game in 2007, and he blew the Vikings game a few years ago.

He did blow the Giants game. The Vikings game was a team effort. It was pretty much a blow-out from the beginning - not really a choke.

He's also lost several late-season win-and-you're-in games, as I recall.

He's won a few of them as well.

[Fire Arians]

dallas sucks

[harrison'samonster]

Originally Posted by finesward

And one last thing....

Shut the **** up donny your out of your element!

Over the Line!

[ricardisimo]

Originally Posted by harrison'samonster

Over the Line!

It's a movie quote, dude (and I do mean dude).

[harrison'samonster]

no, that's what John Goodman yells when a guy from the other team goes over the line. then he pulls out a gun and tells him he's entering a world of pain.

A world of pain.