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Old 10-03-2011, 03:09 PM   #21
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I don't doubt that Ben pleaded with the FO and Tomlin for them to keep Arians. But they shouldn't have listened. If Ben didn't like it, tough shit. It's their call, not his.

Something tells me Ben would have gotten over it if, he was looking at a 35-40 TD season capped off with a Lombardi at the end of 2010.
I agree that Ben would have gotten over it. I hate to say this because Ben is our QB, the guy is athletic no doubt, but he is one of the duller butter knives in the drawer.
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Old 10-03-2011, 03:10 PM   #22
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I don't doubt that Ben pleaded with the FO and Tomlin for them to keep Arians. But they shouldn't have listened. If Ben didn't like it, tough shit. It's their call, not his.

Something tells me Ben would have gotten over it if, he was looking at a 35-40 TD season capped off with a Lombardi at the end of 2010.
So a different offensive coordinator would have prevented the three turnovers last February?
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Old 10-03-2011, 03:56 PM   #23
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So a different offensive coordinator would have prevented the three turnovers last February?
Maybe, maybe not. But that first turnover (the pick-six) was the result of horrible O-Line play. Had that one not happened, the entire game might have turned out differently.

It's no use crying over spilled milk now, but the point is, there are much better offensive coordinators and O-Line coaches out there than the ignorant assholes we've got.
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Old 10-03-2011, 04:29 PM   #24
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Replace someone please this has gone on long enough
Easier said than done

IMO there is nobody to step up for the OL

Foote is no solution for the Farrior problem and Sylvester must not be ready

Do not see sitting Woodley, although he has been horrible

Untuil Keisel returns A. Smith stays (unless his annual season ending injury in October has occurred with whatever put Smith in a walking boot yesteday) - hard to see Hood and Heyward as the 2 starting ends

A logical demotion might be Ward, but Tomlin may figure Hines would not go quietly and make a bad situation worse

One possibiity - look for plenty of Redman (Mendenhall is hurt and Moore apparently also has decided to start wearing a walking boot)

Early season crucial game on Sunday - need all hands on deck for Tennessee
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Let's not forget that his wife was very ill also.
Maybe sick of Cowher?

His wife, rest her soul, apparently as diagnosed in late 2009/early 2010 with the inoperable melanoma

She moved to Raleigh and said Cowher was welcome to join her before the 2006 season, which seemed to indicate some problems

Bottom line was Cowher was not hanging aroiund unless he became one of the top paid coaches in the game aftrer 2005 - can't say Steelers would have done any better if he was still around (4 playoff teams in his last 9 seasons)
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The reason why Cowher was "lifeless" in 2006 was because he had run his time and his guys tuned him out, especially Big Ben. No coach is immune to it.
I wish Cowher was still our coach
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Ever wonder what the team would have been like if Wiz got the HC job?
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I wish Cowher was still our coach
Because he would have done better than Tomlin from 2007 - 2010?

Tomlin's teams have won as many AFC Championships and Super Bowls in 4 seasons as Cowher's teams did from 1992 - 2006

Cowher was a very good coach but he was ready to move on - Joe Gibbs and Bill walsh had a theory that in the NFL wahtever you accomplish is going to occur in no more than 10 years from when you start - Coweher did well to have the late career success when Ben arrived in 2004 but Cowher was ready to step down once he finally won it all.

Tomlin screwed up 2009, but let's not forget 1998, 1999, 2003 and 2006 as some awful showings by Cowher's teams, not to mention a 1-4 record in AFC championship games at home
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Ever wonder what the team would have been like if Wiz got the HC job?
Well, if what has happened in Arizona since he took the reins there is any indication, very possibly worse than they are now.
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Ever wonder what the team would have been like if Wiz got the HC job?
Hard to say - Ben hated Whiz but maybe Whiz would have enhanced Ben's good traits while reining in the freelancing that has turned Ben into a turnover machine

If Whiz stayed my bet is Grimm still leaves (along with LeBeau?) so you might have a no more productive offense to go with a less productive defense

It is rare that an assistant has a lot of success if he is promoted from within to follow a successful HC who steps down voluntarily (only one I can recall is Seifert following Walsh but that was pre-cap when the 49ers bought whomever they wanted) - players sometimes do not listen to a HC who was an assistant with the same team
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