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Old 10-10-2011, 11:09 AM   #1
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Default who's number one in pass defense ?

its the pittsburgh steelers .....

EVERYBODY had the defensive backfield pegged as a glaring weakness , so how in the hell can this be ?

thje patriots are dead last.
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Old 10-10-2011, 11:29 AM   #2
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Default Re: who's number one in pass defense ?

And the "old" defense is #2 overall.

How about that AFC North defense going 1 (Cincy) 2 (Us) and 3 (Baltimore)

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Old 10-10-2011, 11:38 AM   #3
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Default Re: who's number one in pass defense ?

They give up the small stuff but don't let anything big get past them. Its the way it has always been.

The only problem is the Patriots, Packers and a few others nickle and dime us to death down the field and score. Not to mention when the Steelers play them they always seem to shoot themselves in both feet and the knee and beat themselves.

To beat teams like the Patriots, Greenbay, Ravens... you MUST play MISTAKE FREE football. You can't give those guys opportunities to put up extra points on the board from mistakes.
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Old 10-10-2011, 11:45 AM   #4
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Default Re: who's number one in pass defense ?

still 3-2 though.. (mainly cause of the poor oline play against texans and ravens)looks like that o line was fixed this week..

dont let the stats fool you though, chargers were number 1 in d last year i believe and missed the playoffs.

i will say swag looks very good so far this year.

and lewis and gay in years 3 and 4 look like they know what the hell is goin on now
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Default Re: who's number one in pass defense ?

Stats are just stats. They can speak some truth and for the most part they can be misleading. Is it awesome if a running back puts up 1500 yards? Yeah but then you peak at his yards per carry and you see the team he plays for has abused him and his ypc is 2.3.

I love what this defense does against the pass. They play contain and when the ball is delivered they make the tackle. They've been doing that pretty routinely lately. The key is making the tackle.

It's very important that this team find more pass cover guys. Some of the best teams in the league are going pass heavy, the Pats and Packers, because they have great accurate QB's. Last years Pats took us down in the regular season by attacking us down the middle with TE's. Green Bay also attacked our seams. This has to change.

The steelers "D" matches up great with 90% of the league and then there's a few teams that seem to have no problem shredding them.

Lately teams have been able to run on this defense but I think we'll see that come to a stop very quickly.

Just to add I didn't like what the Jets tried to do against the Pats yesterday playing at times 7 Db's. The pats ran all over them. I did like how at times Welker was covered by the best cover CB even though that guy was in the slot. When the time comes the steelers need to think about putting Taylor on Welker and doubling the TE while playing not to get beat on the corners.
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Stats are just stats. They can speak some truth and for the most part they can be misleading. Is it awesome if a running back puts up 1500 yards? Yeah but then you peak at his yards per carry and you see the team he plays for has abused him and his ypc is 2.3.

I love what this defense does against the pass. They play contain and when the ball is delivered they make the tackle. They've been doing that pretty routinely lately. The key is making the tackle.

It's very important that this team find more pass cover guys. Some of the best teams in the league are going pass heavy, the Pats and Packers, because they have great accurate QB's. Last years Pats took us down in the regular season by attacking us down the middle with TE's. Green Bay also attacked our seams. This has to change.

The steelers "D" matches up great with 90% of the league and then there's a few teams that seem to have no problem shredding them.

Lately teams have been able to run on this defense but I think we'll see that come to a stop very quickly.

Just to add I didn't like what the Jets tried to do against the Pats yesterday playing at times 7 Db's. The pats ran all over them. I did like how at times Welker was covered by the best cover CB even though that guy was in the slot. When the time comes the steelers need to think about putting Taylor on Welker and doubling the TE while playing not to get beat on the corners.
I'm not even going to check. I'm just going to dare you to find me the running back anytime in NFL history who ran for 1500 yards in a season with a 2.3 YPC, or any number even remotely close to that. Last year's San Diego Chargers are the exception that proves the rule: being tops in offense and/or defense gives you as good a chance as any to win on Sunday.

Stats are misleading if you're only looking at stats.
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Stats are just stats. They can speak some truth and for the most part they can be misleading. Is it awesome if a running back puts up 1500 yards? Yeah but then you peak at his yards per carry and you see the team he plays for has abused him and his ypc is 2.3.

I love what this defense does against the pass. They play contain and when the ball is delivered they make the tackle. They've been doing that pretty routinely lately. The key is making the tackle.

It's very important that this team find more pass cover guys. Some of the best teams in the league are going pass heavy, the Pats and Packers, because they have great accurate QB's. Last years Pats took us down in the regular season by attacking us down the middle with TE's. Green Bay also attacked our seams. This has to change.

The steelers "D" matches up great with 90% of the league and then there's a few teams that seem to have no problem shredding them.

Lately teams have been able to run on this defense but I think we'll see that come to a stop very quickly.

Just to add I didn't like what the Jets tried to do against the Pats yesterday playing at times 7 Db's. The pats ran all over them. I did like how at times Welker was covered by the best cover CB even though that guy was in the slot. When the time comes the steelers need to think about putting Taylor on Welker and doubling the TE while playing not to get beat on the corners.
You make some valid points, but you've also grossly over exaggerated some of them. The Pats and Packers have shredded most teams the last couple of years and 600 + carries in a season never happens.
What the Steelers really need to do is be able to make a couple of stops or turnovers against those high powered Offenses and then have their own Offense that can keep up in a shootout. Yesterday was a good start.
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Stats are just stats. They can speak some truth and for the most part they can be misleading. Is it awesome if a running back puts up 1500 yards? Yeah but then you peak at his yards per carry and you see the team he plays for has abused him and his ypc is 2.3.

I love what this defense does against the pass. They play contain and when the ball is delivered they make the tackle. They've been doing that pretty routinely lately. The key is making the tackle.

It's very important that this team find more pass cover guys. Some of the best teams in the league are going pass heavy, the Pats and Packers, because they have great accurate QB's. Last years Pats took us down in the regular season by attacking us down the middle with TE's. Green Bay also attacked our seams. This has to change.

The steelers "D" matches up great with 90% of the league and then there's a few teams that seem to have no problem shredding them.

Lately teams have been able to run on this defense but I think we'll see that come to a stop very quickly.

Just to add I didn't like what the Jets tried to do against the Pats yesterday playing at times 7 Db's. The pats ran all over them. I did like how at times Welker was covered by the best cover CB even though that guy was in the slot. When the time comes the steelers need to think about putting Taylor on Welker and doubling the TE while playing not to get beat on the corners.
You would need about 652 carries in a season (average 2.3 a carry) to get 1500 yards.

The Steelers pass defense has been stellar this season (except for the first week, when we decided not to cover their only legit weapon). We stopped Hasselbeck and the Titans, who have been playing good passing he ball, we stopped the high octane PASS offense of the Texans*; so all in all, I think the pass defense has been doing a really good job, hopefully they will keep it up when the Ravens and Patriots come to town.

*We got gashed for over 180 rushing yards, so with the Texans success on the ground, they did not really throw the ball that much. Plus Andre Johnson, their best WR, left before the 1st half.

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Default Re: who's number one in pass defense ?

guys, i think he was exagerating and just putting up a number to give you an example.
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guys, i think he was exagerating and just putting up a number to give you an example.
Of course he was. A) It's ironic to put up fictional numbers when your point is to claim that stats are misleading (fictional numbers are indeed misleading). B) My position stands no matter what numbers he puts up: stats are only misleading if all you're looking at is stats.
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