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Old 06-13-2006, 03:48 PM   #21
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Ben wasn't wearing a helmet but that was LEGAL!!!!
If Ben didn't have a valid motorcycle license then it was not legal for him to be helmetless.
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Old 06-13-2006, 03:50 PM   #22
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Sorry but I disagree. Ben has to hold himself to a higher standard. He can't act like a normal 24 year old man. The Steelers have invested alot of money into him. I'm not mad at Big Ben. But I do think he was stupid for doing this. Also all you hear anymore from these pro athletes its a business its a business. Thats why I bring up the fact about the Steelers investing alot of money in him. Pro sports is a business and Ben had no business being on that bike with so much money invested in him not only by the Steelers but the numerous company's that signed Ben to endorse their products.

Actually, it's not your business and not my business. It's between Ben, his agent, the Rooney's and their reps. His contract doesnt' have that clause.

So what's next in your mind?

Should all athletes not be allowed to water ski? How about they can't bungi jump?.Oh! I know! They should be chauffeured everywhere in a tank as to not get involved in an auto accident.

Come on?this is getting ridiculous. No offense. But he could have easily been in a car and the lady could have smashed into him and killed him. We wake up everyday and can go at any second by any means. He is a free human being and doesn't have to answer to anyone. And if you feel otherwise it's because of selfish interests as a fan. The guy is young, rich, won a Super Bowl and is living the life.
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Old 06-13-2006, 03:55 PM   #23
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Sorry but I disagree. Ben has to hold himself to a higher standard. He can't act like a normal 24 year old man. The Steelers have invested alot of money into him. I'm not mad at Big Ben. But I do think he was stupid for doing this. Also all you hear anymore from these pro athletes its a business its a business. Thats why I bring up the fact about the Steelers investing alot of money in him. Pro sports is a business and Ben had no business being on that bike with so much money invested in him not only by the Steelers but the numerous company's that signed Ben to endorse their products.
That's pretty much it.

Like it or not Ben has to make some sacrifices and those include activities that may cause personal injury outside of the game.
Should Ben come around when his next contract is up and hold out and make the statement like you hear others make "I'm doing this for my family and my future security" then he's going to get this little incident waved under his nose as a contradicting reminder.

Clearly Ben isn't or wasn't looking at the Big Picture.
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Old 06-13-2006, 04:00 PM   #24
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Actually, it's not your business and not my business. It's between Ben, his agent, the Rooney's and their reps. His contract doesnt' have that clause.

So what's next in your mind?

Should all athletes not be allowed to water ski? How about they can't bungi jump?.Oh! I know! They should be chauffeured everywhere in a tank as to not get involved in an auto accident.

Come on?this is getting ridiculous. No offense. But he could have easily been in a car and the lady could have smashed into him and killed him. We wake up everyday and can go at any second by any means. He is a free human being and doesn't have to answer to anyone. And if you feel otherwise it's because of selfish interests as a fan. The guy is young, rich, won a Super Bowl and is living the life.
He could get injured doing anything, yes, but the chances of getting injured are much higher on a motorcycle, especially on one without a helmet than those of a car. He is a free human being, but he needs to realize that people depend on him. He owes nothing to the fans, that isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the 52 other players on the team, and the coaching staff that need Ben out there to make plays in order for them to get money. It is just like if I were to go get hurt doing something dangerous, and suddenly my family has no way to make money in order to put food on their plates and a roof over their heads. I'm not saying Ben can't have fun, he's a grown man, he can make his own decisions, he should just think about others and the calculated risks before having his fun.
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Old 06-13-2006, 04:08 PM   #25
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That's pretty much it.

Like it or not Ben has to make some sacrifices and those include activities that may cause personal injury outside of the game.
Should Ben come around when his next contract is up and hold out and make the statement like you hear others make "I'm doing this for my family and my future security" then he's going to get this little incident waved under his nose as a contradicting reminder.

Clearly Ben isn't or wasn't looking at the Big Picture.
But at what point is something dangerous? I think "dangerous" is only an issue when he can't go out and play which is going to upset fans. But at what point do you give up your personal freedoms in the off season? Who decides what is dangerous? It wasn't like the guy was driving recklessly?the lady ran into him. As I said, he could have easily been in a car.

I think all this boils down to is the selfishness of the fan. Think about it.

"Well, he needs to think about others and act more responsibly!"

Why?

The answer to that question is because, at the root of things, "I only care about the Steelers winning and for that to happen he has to be playing. Screw him and what he likes to do in his spare time. This is about my personal enjoyment as a fan."

That's my take on it, anyhow. Would any of us even care if he wasn't a football player? No. We would have glanced at the motorcycle accident headline, thought for a second about that being sad and then moved on to the sports section.
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Actually, it's not your business and not my business. It's between Ben, his agent, the Rooney's and their reps. His contract doesnt' have that clause.

So what's next in your mind?

Should all athletes not be allowed to water ski? How about they can't bungi jump?.Oh! I know! They should be chauffeured everywhere in a tank as to not get involved in an auto accident.

Come on?this is getting ridiculous. No offense. But he could have easily been in a car and the lady could have smashed into him and killed him. We wake up everyday and can go at any second by any means. He is a free human being and doesn't have to answer to anyone. And if you feel otherwise it's because of selfish interests as a fan. The guy is young, rich, won a Super Bowl and is living the life.
Selfish interest as a fan? Ben doesn't have to answer to me or any other fan. But he does have to hold himself to a higher standard when it comes to his employer that has invested millions of dollars into him. No need for the smart ass comments either. No kidding he could have been killed in a car wreck. But you expose yourself so much when riding a motorcycle. Ben doesn't owe me or any other Steelers fan a thing. I didn't even bring up the fans you did. He owes the Steelers organization.
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Old 06-13-2006, 04:13 PM   #27
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He could get injured doing anything, yes, but the chances of getting injured are much higher on a motorcycle, especially on one without a helmet than those of a car. He is a free human being, but he needs to realize that people depend on him. He owes nothing to the fans, that isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the 52 other players on the team, and the coaching staff that need Ben out there to make plays in order for them to get money. It is just like if I were to go get hurt doing something dangerous, and suddenly my family has no way to make money in order to put food on their plates and a roof over their heads. I'm not saying Ben can't have fun, he's a grown man, he can make his own decisions, he should just think about others and the calculated risks before having his fun.
Totally agree with you BBC. I said yesterday that Ben gave the Steelers organization and his teammates the middle finger by riding that damn bike. Thats all I was trying to say and yesterday some said I was gutless and cold. Ben doesn't owe me or any other Steelers fan a thing. He owes the Steelers organization who is his employer to hold himself to a higher standard then the normal person and not do thing that would put him in harms way when millions has been invested in him.

Plus he didn't even have a license. But thats a whole another topic? BBC another solid post.
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Old 06-13-2006, 04:21 PM   #28
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Selfish interest as a fan? Ben doesn't have to answer to me or any other fan. But he does have to hold himself to a higher standard when it comes to his employer that has invested millions of dollars into him. No need for the smart ass comments either. No kidding he could have been killed in a car wreck. But you expose yourself so much when riding a motorcycle. Ben doesn't owe me or any other Steelers fan a thing. I didn't even bring up the fans you did. He owes the Steelers organization.
I am not being a "smart ass". I don't mean offense (which I did say). This is my opinion but all of this "owes it to his employers" stuff is unfounded. He only owes them the things laid out in his contract.

I really don't care one way or the other. Was he dumb for not wearing a helmet? Sure, maybe. For riding a motorcycle?
I am not ready to say that as my uncle teaches motorcycle safety and has never been in an accident in 40 years of riding (whereas my sister in law has been in countless auto accidents in her 6 or 7 years of driving).

But, the point of what I am trying to say is, where do you draw the line?

Believe me, I want the team to win like everyone else and I want the players to be healthy to that end. But, I have read a ton of statements in the vein of "He owes it to the team" and "he owes it to the fans" and crap like that which is just comes across of a fan bitching about him ruining their season. That is what I mean by selfish. And as fans, we are all guilty of it to a certain degree.
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Selfish interest as a fan? Ben doesn't have to answer to me or any other fan. But he does have to hold himself to a higher standard when it comes to his employer that has invested millions of dollars into him. No need for the smart ass comments either. No kidding he could have been killed in a car wreck. But you expose yourself so much when riding a motorcycle. Ben doesn't owe me or any other Steelers fan a thing. I didn't even bring up the fans you did. He owes the Steelers organization.

Ben doesn't have to answer to the individual fan but you know what......it's the season ticket holders, the thousands of fans who purchase tickets to go to a few precious games a year, the fans who purchase Steeler gear and merchandise year after year that puts the money in Mr. Rooney's bank account.....the same account that pays Ben's salary.
Like it or not the fans are like unofficial stock holders in the Steelers so yes they have to be considered in the mix.
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He could get injured doing anything, yes, but the chances of getting injured are much higher on a motorcycle, especially on one without a helmet than those of a car. He is a free human being, but he needs to realize that people depend on him. He owes nothing to the fans, that isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the 52 other players on the team, and the coaching staff that need Ben out there to make plays in order for them to get money. It is just like if I were to go get hurt doing something dangerous, and suddenly my family has no way to make money in order to put food on their plates and a roof over their heads. I'm not saying Ben can't have fun, he's a grown man, he can make his own decisions, he should just think about others and the calculated risks before having his fun.
Did Randell El take the "52 other players on the team, and the coaching staff" into account when he left for more money? In pro sports this isn't always the case...
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