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Old 06-14-2006, 10:58 AM   #21
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Come on everyone now this is just plain silly. DROP IT. Our beloved quarterback is going to be fine, be thankful don't be out to get anyone on this, keep in mind our beloved quarterback was riding against the law so if you have to place blame when you should be thanking GOD.........you go for it but our darling qb was also a lawbreaker.


Until my lovely wife can quit putting on makeup...talking on the cellphone...and driving at the same time....I will withold judgement on others recklessness
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Old 06-14-2006, 12:15 PM   #22
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You've got to be kidding me. Some old lady makes a mistake and you want her life destroyed? Would you say the same thing if the guy she hit wasn't a coveted member of your favorite football team?

The woman deserves whatever penalty a person who makes an illegal turn gets under Pennsylvania law. Nothing more, nothing less. And she damn sure doesn't owe "a public apology" just because the person she injured happened to be a football star. That's just ridiculous.

And if Roethlisberger the multi-millionaire sues an old lady "for every penny she's got", that would make him a first class chump. He seems like far too classy of a guy to even be thinking about doing something like that. It's more likely that the first thing he'll do if he ever meets the lady is sign an autograph and tell her it's okay.


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I am Automotive editor for a car magazine, and I have had a ton of advance driver training. I belong to a motorsports country club, and suit up an take to the track as often as others play golf. I even completed a Police Academy driving course for an article -- I scored second highest in my class.

Bottom line -- I am an above-average driver. AND, I still could have made the same mistake that the 62 year-old lady who hit Ben made.

I have two accidents on my 29 year driving record. They were both bonehead mistakes on my part. Luckily, nobody was injured. It only takes a few seconds of distraction to make an accident happen.

Be careful how you judge this woman. On any given day, you could find yourself in her shoes.

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Old 06-14-2006, 02:35 PM   #23
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I am Automotive editor for a car magazine, and I have had a ton of advance driver training. I belong to a motorsports country club, and suit up an take to the track as often as others play golf. I even completed a Police Academy driving course for an article -- I scored second highest in my class.

Bottom line -- I am an above-average driver. AND, I still could have made the same mistake that the 62 year-old lady who hit Ben made.

I have two accidents on my 29 year driving record. They were both bonehead mistakes on my part. Luckily, nobody was injured. It only takes a few seconds of distraction to make an accident happen.

Be careful how you judge this woman. On any given day, you could find yourself in her shoes.

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Old 06-14-2006, 10:18 PM   #24
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That would all be fine if it was her fault. Too bad Ben decided to drive without a liscense. Now it is all his fault because he should have never been driving to begin with.
Finally, some common sense.

Many, if not most, states will automatically fault a non-licensed driver in an accident whether that driver was the cause or not. The same with insurance, or hitting someone in the rear. No matter what the circumstance, if it happens without one person being licensed.....it's their fault, period!

Let's hope that Mrs Fleischman (sp?) doesn't start salivating at the prospect of gaining a portion of Ben's hard earned millions.
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File charges against Martha Fleishman. If you haven't read my post in Big Ben's motorcycle thread here it is:



If this woman still doesn't receive any of the blame after the accident report comes out, some letters definitely need to be written is all I have to say.




Is she at fault, yes she is according to all reports as of now. And she should get charged. Her insurance company will cover her in this accident. But for Ben and family to sue the lady? That would be very ignorant on Bens part. Nobody feels worse than her right now. I feel sorry for her also. She has to live with this the rest of her life knowing that she almost killed a person.
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Default Re: File charges against Martha Fleishman (person who hit Ben)

this thread disgusts me.. I can't believe a simple mistake can be blown so out of proportion. Make Ben an unknown and you got everyday life in anytown USA.. Get Granny some glasses, divy out the fines and such and let life go on..
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She's an old lady, cut her some slack. If it would have been an 18 year old male that pulled out in front of Ben some of us would be calling him a reckless driving punk. The lady made a mistake that thousands of people make every day. There was no recklessness on her part. Reckless driving is defined as "Operating a motor vehicle with willful and wanton disregard to the safety of persons and or property." That definition is certainly not applicable in this case.

The old lady was definitelyat fault in the crash and she will most likely receive a citation for "failure to yield the right of way to oncoming vehicles". It's a minor infraction that carries no jail time. She will have to pay a fine that is somewhat enhanced because the violation caused a motor vehicle crash. The Department of Motor Vehicles might summons the old lady in and require that she perform a driving test to ensure that she has the ability to satisfactorily operate a motor vehicle. The lady's insurance company will be responsible for Ben's medical expenses and the replacement of his motorcycle. The insurance company will also pay Ben for pain and suffering, which depending on the insurance company, ranges anywhere from 2 to 4 times his medical expenses.

Ben on the other hand is facing more of a penalty than the old lady. Riding a motorcycle without a motorcycle endorsement can land you in jail for a maximum of 6 months. I seriously doubt that Ben will receive any jail time but I'm guessing that he will be placed on non-reporting probation. He will also be required to complete some type of community service, most likely speaking to motorcyclist about the hazards of riding a motorcycle without a helmet.

In closing I want to metion this. If anyone does decide to send the old lady a threatening/harassing letter or message, they will without question, spend enough time in jail to miss the entire 2006 NFL regular season.

Exactly, excellent post!
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Congrats to the Steeler fans on this board for decisevely resiting the lynch mob mentality that is easy to fall into during emotional times.

One question I have yet to hear answered is if excessive speed was involved. Even if it was, the woman probably should have seen it. But it does remain possible that Ben may have played some fault. Guess that is why we should wait for the investigation report before convicting.

Regarding motorcycle riding and accidents... Here is my anecdotal perspective on how they occurr.

I think by far most accidents are the fault of the rider. Mostly young guys who are riding bigger engines than they should faster then they should. Occasional the rider is buzzed or high. But most accidents I believe are caused because riding a bike is too damn fun and people don't have the experience to know when they have exceeded the limits of their control.

Then there are the accidents where the rider is doing everything fine and someone just doesn't see them. Some drivers with great driving records and more with poor ones just won't see the rider because they aren't what we're programmed to be looking for and just plain harder to see.

Cognitively judging the speed of a cycle, especially at night ,is harder because we can normally judge the velocity of an oncoming object like a car by seeing how quickly two parallel points (headlights) are spreading apart. The reduced width and singleheadlight of a motorcycle limits our ability to do this.

Its the latter type of accident (along with the ones caused by unexpected road contitions) that have quashed any desire of mine to ride a motorcyle. I hope I would have the discipline to not ride too fast for conditions and I know I would never ride high or drunk. And if I did and got into an accidentlike that I would at least have the comfort of knowing that what happened was a direct consequence of a choice I made for myself. But I have worked with too many guys with brain injuries or limbs torn off or lost to gangrene who had been riding safely for decades only to be mowed over by a regular driver who just didn't see them. In car vs motorcycle, the motorcyclist invariably loses.

I am not saying that I think motorcycles should be banned or anything. But I do think that even if you are doing everything possible to stack the odds in your favor (driving the speed limit, wearing a helmet) you have to realize that you are at a far greater risk of serious injury or death when riding a bike. I don't like the thought of giving that much control of my own well being to the people I drive next to on the freeway. I therefore feel the risks of riding a motorcycle greatly are greatly outweighed by my responsibilty to the people who care about me and to whom I am accountable.

Anyway, that turned into a bit of a manifesto. Do people who actually ride think that makes any sense?

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Old 06-15-2006, 07:23 AM   #29
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Ok forget the sueing for money part, since many seem to be hung up on that. What I'm trying to say is everyone is trying to put all the blame on Ben for not wearing his helmet, when this lady isn't even being blammed for the accident which was almost entirely her fault.

What I think should happen?

- She gets several points on her drivers license for wreckless driving.
- She has to go to some driving classes to see if she is still fit to drive (62 yrs old)
- Issue personal apology to Roethisberger and his family taking responsibility for her actions.
- Possible community service

And no I wouldn't care as much if it was someone else. But since it is someone I care about I want this lady prosecuted to the full extent of the law so she gets what she deserves.
No offense but your insistence on her being charged or punished sounds ridiculous. Accidents happen. Everyone who drives has made mistakes before. If you are familiar with this intersection, there are many accidents there. Why would you suggest that this woman be punished more then anyone else who was involved in a traffic accident there? Are you saying you never made a mistake? It comes across as selfish and unenlightened as this wouldn't even be discussed if it wasn't a football player involved. When riding a bike, you take your chances. Sometimes people don't see them.

Jesus, people. What's wrong with some of you? I bet the lady feels guilty enough...wouldn't you?
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this thread disgusts me.. I can't believe a simple mistake can be blown so out of proportion. Make Ben an unknown and you got everyday life in anytown USA.. Get Granny some glasses, divy out the fines and such and let life go on..
I couldn't agree more...I was so disgusted when i read this new board member's post at the top of the thread that I was going to steer clear but I had to comment. People are just, strange.
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