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Old 06-15-2006, 08:17 AM   #1
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Trash-talking NFL fans waste no time reveling in Roethlisberger's misfortune
Thursday, June 15, 2006

By Ray Fittipaldo, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette



For those who thought Cincinnati Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer displayed a childish attitude in Sports Illustrated a few weeks back when he proclaimed "I hate the Steelers," wait until they get a load of what some Bengals fans had to say in the moments after Ben Roethlisberger's motorcycle accident Monday.

As the news and pictures were posted on internet Web sites, Bengals backers at Bengalsforum.com made light of the fact that the Steelers' quarterback had sustained severe injuries, with many of them proclaiming that justice had been served. A few Cincinnati fans said in their messages that it served Roethlisberger and the Steelers right because former Steelers defensive end Kimo von Oelhoffen, they contended, intentionally injured Palmer in an AFC wild-card game at Paul Brown Stadium in January.

"Irony, they cheap shot their way to a Super Bowl, now karma comes in," wrote a poster with the handle Spain.

Another poster with the handle jjakg27 wrote: "What comes around ..."

Cantonbengal posted: "This is what I been waiting to see happen to the Steelers they all laughed at us when Carson went down. At least, Carson isn't [stupid] like Ben ... hopefully he might miss some time this season."

The messages were posted in the moments or hours after the accident Monday when the severity of Roethlisberger's condition was unclear.

The ill will toward Roethlisberger and the Steelers was not confined to Cincinnati cyberspace. Message boards from around the NFL were filled with tasteless comments about Roethlisberger and the accident. At The brownsboard.com, a Cleveland Browns fan site, one poster dubbed the quarterback "Ben Toothlessberger" and noted that he is now "right at home with all those Pittsburgh inbreds."

A poster with the handle flugel wondered: "who is wearing a bigger turban today? Bin Laden or Ben Ridin'?" Flugel also noted that "there's something about Steelers quarterbacks bouncing off hard surfaces that keeps this rivalry fun."

That was a reference to Terry Bradshaw getting dumped on his head by Cleveland defensive lineman Joe "Turkey" Jones at old Municipal Stadium in 1976.

Fans of the Baltimore Ravens also got into the act. Only moments after the accident, Revo2001 posted: "HAHA" followed by an expletive. A few hours later CRAVNRAVN posted: "Raven baby are now the favs to claim the division!"

So why do some football fans react in such a crazed manner in the wake of a potential tragedy?

Dr. Paul Friday, the director of clinical psychology at UPMC Shady Side, said the posters of these comments are people with psychological problems whose brains never fully developed.
Friday said the human brain does not fully develop until 25 years of age, which, he said, might explain why Roethlisberger, who is 24, decided to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. Friday said the posters are either too young to know better or are people whose brains never completely wired, which can happen due to a number of circumstances, including class and culture.
"The people who are blogging in Cincinnati, they're the ones whose brains never fully develop," Friday said. "They don't perspectivize human tragedy. They don't learn to think effectively. These people are not normal. We're talking about a fringe element. We're dealing with the screaming people who are venting. These are elements that are not representative of their communities. They are representatives of their own minds."

Friday said posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner. It's not necessarily a new phenomenon, just one that is more evident because of the instant communication that is available via the Internet.

"We have a degree of transference on sports figures," Friday said. "It's a way of vicariously going to battle. People can blog and send thoughts, and feel a self-induced empowerment."

The Steelers' success also is part of the equation, he said. If the Steelers had not won the Super Bowl in February, people would not post such vitriolic messages. The Steelers are kings of the mountain, and their players are being transformed from humans into symbols, waiting to be knocked from their high perch.

"We identify with our champions," Friday said. "Maybe 3,000 years ago when we were still throwing rocks at each other, the Davids wanted to hit the Goliaths between the eyes. Every year now, we anoint a new Goliath. And we are the new Goliath after winning the Super Bowl.

"Our heroes are no longer humans. They're symbols. Ben is no longer Mrs. Roethlisberger's son or someone who is coming to dinner. He is someone who represents the wars that take place. And there are no bigger wars than the ones that take place in the 5 1/2 inches between our ears."
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Trash-talking NFL fans waste no time reveling in Roethlisberger's misfortune
Thursday, June 15, 2006

By Ray Fittipaldo, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


Haha...beat you to it! But regardless, it can't be said enough that some of us need to think before posting as we can be sending out an image of immaturity.
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I have to say that is one lame article.

Can somebody put it in some perspective for me...does this paper he writes for have a large circulation?

This just sounds like some disgruntled Steeler fan who has decided to pick out a few idiots from a huge majority of classy fans from rival organisations - where is the article about the amount of well wishers who signed up on this board and others like it just to wish Ben and the Steeler faithful the best?

If it comes to quoting random handles on random message boards just to get a reaction - then journalism has died.

I mean wow, "people hide behind keyboards and say things they wouldnt say in public" - well strike me down with a feather - that is real in depth psychological analysis.

Dr Paul Friday sounds like a poor mans version of Dr. Phil - if such a thing could possibly exist.

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Old 06-15-2006, 03:32 PM   #4
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LITP,ou might have not stopped into the boards of Ravens,Browns,and Bengals fans after the accident,but I did and a large majority of them wish Ben had lost one of his arms or legs,was a paralyzed,or dead.

I live in Cleveland and I can tell you,most of the fans of the Browns and Bengals are that classless and do wish he had lost a body part,was paralyzed,or dead.

When KW2 went down in his crash,we made fun of him for trying to be a stunt-man and even worse trying to do it when you aren't 100% healed from his prior knee injury.However,I don't recall Steeler fans wishing he had lost a limb,was paralyzed,or dead.Most Steeler fans,and I for one,hoped he would get healthy and back on the field as soon as safley possible.

When Palmer went down in the WC game,I don't recall Steeler fans hoping he'd never be able to play again in his life.Instead,most (and all the ones I know personally) hope he'll have a full recovery and get back on the field this season.

But if you look at the fans of the other teams in this division...they wish harm upon all the Steelers players,coaches,staff,and fans.It's probally penis/ring envy for the most part.Every fan base has it's a$sh0les but the Bungals,Clowns,and Ratbirds a$sh0le count seem to be a majority and not a minority.
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im glad i am not the only one who felt that way LITP...see what i said in the other thread
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there is already a thread on just this article
http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=7933

and I will say what I said over there about it

There are fans out there that take this game way to series and I have to say I know at times I am one of those people and I am sure most all that read this will can say the same thing, after all we seem to forget it is only a game win or loss life will go on and we will live to play another day....
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The idea for the article wasn't well thought out, that's for sure. And then in execution it appeared to waver between being serious and quoting Dr Lirpa Lofos or something.

It's the internet. Sometimes you think you are engaged in a battle of wits when you are really being trolled by a 12 year old. The mistake is taking it seriously like Fittipaldo did.
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LITP,ou might have not stopped into the boards of Ravens,Browns,and Bengals fans after the accident,but I did and a large majority of them wish Ben had lost one of his arms or legs,was a paralyzed,or dead.

I live in Cleveland and I can tell you,most of the fans of the Browns and Bengals are that classless and do wish he had lost a body part,was paralyzed,or dead.

When KW2 went down in his crash,we made fun of him for trying to be a stunt-man and even worse trying to do it when you aren't 100% healed from his prior knee injury.However,I don't recall Steeler fans wishing he had lost a limb,was paralyzed,or dead.Most Steeler fans,and I for one,hoped he would get healthy and back on the field as soon as safley possible.

When Palmer went down in the WC game,I don't recall Steeler fans hoping he'd never be able to play again in his life.Instead,most (and all the ones I know personally) hope he'll have a full recovery and get back on the field this season.

But if you look at the fans of the other teams in this division...they wish harm upon all the Steelers players,coaches,staff,and fans.It's probally penis/ring envy for the most part.Every fan base has it's a$sh0les but the Bungals,Clowns,and Ratbirds a$sh0le count seem to be a majority and not a minority.
Sorry man,

But I just cannot see it.

What you are asking me to believe is that people who support a particular team/teams automatically have a higher chance of being an as*hole.

Or maybe once you step over the boundary from Pennsylvania and into Ohio suddenly people turn into the types who would wish the loss of a limb on a young man just becasue he was a QB for a rival football team.

I cannot imagine that a large minority, let along a majority, of people from any fanbase would wish the loss of limb or life upon a young man.

The fact is - you get as*holes in all walks of life - and this type of incident brings them all pouring out of the woodwork - the numbskull Steeler fan who suggested that the woman involved in the accident be made to give a public apology to Pittsburgh was another example.

The fact is, a bunch of decent Steeler fans jumped right on him as soon as he did this - the majority of people, not just football fans, would have done the same.

Brings to mind the post by a Steelers fan who chimed "All Dolphin fans are stupid" or words to that effect - to which the Dolphin fan replied "I guess ill revoke my application to mensa due to my being a Miami fan, then" - that comment highlighted the nonsense generalisations we all make about people.

ps Section 514 - just seen your post on the other thread - I think I mirrored what you had to say, but was a lot more long winded about it ;-)

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i did some research

check this out http://dawgtalk.clevelandbrowns.com/...20#Post1577905
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Trash-talking NFL fans waste no time reveling in Roethlisberger's misfortune
Thursday, June 15, 2006

By Ray Fittipaldo, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette



For those who thought Cincinnati Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer displayed a childish attitude in Sports Illustrated a few weeks back when he proclaimed "I hate the Steelers," wait until they get a load of what some Bengals fans had to say in the moments after Ben Roethlisberger's motorcycle accident Monday.

As the news and pictures were posted on internet Web sites, Bengals backers at Bengalsforum.com made light of the fact that the Steelers' quarterback had sustained severe injuries, with many of them proclaiming that justice had been served. A few Cincinnati fans said in their messages that it served Roethlisberger and the Steelers right because former Steelers defensive end Kimo von Oelhoffen, they contended, intentionally injured Palmer in an AFC wild-card game at Paul Brown Stadium in January.

"Irony, they cheap shot their way to a Super Bowl, now karma comes in," wrote a poster with the handle Spain.

Another poster with the handle jjakg27 wrote: "What comes around ..."

Cantonbengal posted: "This is what I been waiting to see happen to the Steelers they all laughed at us when Carson went down. At least, Carson isn't [stupid] like Ben ... hopefully he might miss some time this season."

The messages were posted in the moments or hours after the accident Monday when the severity of Roethlisberger's condition was unclear.

The ill will toward Roethlisberger and the Steelers was not confined to Cincinnati cyberspace. Message boards from around the NFL were filled with tasteless comments about Roethlisberger and the accident. At The brownsboard.com, a Cleveland Browns fan site, one poster dubbed the quarterback "Ben Toothlessberger" and noted that he is now "right at home with all those Pittsburgh inbreds."

A poster with the handle flugel wondered: "who is wearing a bigger turban today? Bin Laden or Ben Ridin'?" Flugel also noted that "there's something about Steelers quarterbacks bouncing off hard surfaces that keeps this rivalry fun."

That was a reference to Terry Bradshaw getting dumped on his head by Cleveland defensive lineman Joe "Turkey" Jones at old Municipal Stadium in 1976.

Fans of the Baltimore Ravens also got into the act. Only moments after the accident, Revo2001 posted: "HAHA" followed by an expletive. A few hours later CRAVNRAVN posted: "Raven baby are now the favs to claim the division!"

So why do some football fans react in such a crazed manner in the wake of a potential tragedy?

Dr. Paul Friday, the director of clinical psychology at UPMC Shady Side, said the posters of these comments are people with psychological problems whose brains never fully developed.
Friday said the human brain does not fully develop until 25 years of age, which, he said, might explain why Roethlisberger, who is 24, decided to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. Friday said the posters are either too young to know better or are people whose brains never completely wired, which can happen due to a number of circumstances, including class and culture.
"The people who are blogging in Cincinnati, they're the ones whose brains never fully develop," Friday said. "They don't perspectivize human tragedy. They don't learn to think effectively. These people are not normal. We're talking about a fringe element. We're dealing with the screaming people who are venting. These are elements that are not representative of their communities. They are representatives of their own minds."

Friday said posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner. It's not necessarily a new phenomenon, just one that is more evident because of the instant communication that is available via the Internet.

"We have a degree of transference on sports figures," Friday said. "It's a way of vicariously going to battle. People can blog and send thoughts, and feel a self-induced empowerment."

The Steelers' success also is part of the equation, he said. If the Steelers had not won the Super Bowl in February, people would not post such vitriolic messages. The Steelers are kings of the mountain, and their players are being transformed from humans into symbols, waiting to be knocked from their high perch.

"We identify with our champions," Friday said. "Maybe 3,000 years ago when we were still throwing rocks at each other, the Davids wanted to hit the Goliaths between the eyes. Every year now, we anoint a new Goliath. And we are the new Goliath after winning the Super Bowl.

"Our heroes are no longer humans. They're symbols. Ben is no longer Mrs. Roethlisberger's son or someone who is coming to dinner. He is someone who represents the wars that take place. And there are no bigger wars than the ones that take place in the 5 1/2 inches between our ears."

Hey there is a bunch of BS with this article as we gave a lot of condolences concerning Ben. Please note that we were cool over on Cincybengals.com and some MODS even threatened to ban if there was any uncalled for shit before everyone found out he was okay. We want Ben in the game. We want to beat you fair and square...
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