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Old 12-12-2011, 04:50 AM   #11
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Then you weren't watching this last game, when he completely blew his assignment on a key play. Mendenhall is also the better blocker, hands down.
Yeah I remember him blowing one Thursday but to put his blocking as a whole on one play isn't right. Mendenhall really wasn't used to stay back and block much. Every time I saw him he would either go out for a swing pass or a chip block and then try to get open.
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Old 12-12-2011, 07:25 AM   #12
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A lot of this is perceptions and expectations, and a belief - following years of large, hard-nosed runners like Bettis, Bam and Barry Foster - that Pittsburgh running backs look and run a certain way and only that way. It's misguided, and one need only look at some of the other great backs we've had over the years, like Franco and Pegram, to see that there are lots of other, equally effective ways of toting the rock.
I agree with that. Mendenhall is a really talented player. He thinks fast and I reckon some of the "dancing" people complain about is just him keeping his momentum going while trying to compensate for compromised routes. It's instinctive. He mostly stays on track but it's the o-line's task to lay the tracks out, which they seem to be having a tough time with recently. By the way, he doesn't always spin. Check out these highlights from last year:

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I've had it with Mendy's shucking and jiving. He can be a hard, effective runner when he wants to be with that combination of power and speed but he is very inconsistent in doing so. I have liked what we've seen from Redman for the most part all year but don't forget his one start against Tennesee he didn't do too much. At the moment, I say we should split carries, say, 60-40 in Mendy's favor and see how that works out. We have a tough task coming up against the Niners run D, which has been pretty stout.
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Old 12-12-2011, 10:04 AM   #14
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The more I watch other NFL games the more I'm convinced Mendenhall is a flash in the pan. Ray Rice runs a hell of a lot harder as does most others. Redman had a real nice game and they went right back to Mendenhall and its running game as usual.

I agree there are other ways "toting the rock" but, have you seen anything above average from Mendy? The fact is a good runner along with Ben would be awesome!
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Mendy has a tendency to veer to the right. On the plays v the Browns, he got jacked up on first down...but if you watch the other downs the O line had good push in the middle and left. Not sure why he kept going to the right...maybe he liked getting drilled by gokong. Before we even ran the first play, I sent a txt to my brother "Run Redman 4 times up the gut if we have to." To me it was obvious...he gets more yards after contact than Mendy. As for who's the better back, I still say Mendy is. But I like when they give Redman around 10 carries...it seems to soften the D lines and motivates Mendy. Between the two, I think we have a great 1-2 punch...but convincing BA to use them that way...well, we all know logic is not his forte.
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The is no way to measure Redman vs Mendenhall. Redman has never been given a chance to carry a full load in any game or a sequence of games. From what I have seen, he is better blocker, just as good a pass receiver, knows how to go north and south better and has better horizontal movement and for sure a spin move that works which Mendenhall does not have,

Mendenhall can get outside quicker and is probably faster and was a number one draft choice

If I were the Steeler braintrust I certainly would start giving Redman at 40% of the load and see what happens

That debacle on the goal line, may not have ended the same way if Redman was toting the ball, and it certainly was pathetic play calling. The Steelers have a propensity to run dive after dive in situations like that instead of play action pass run roll outs which are great options especially when you have mobile QB like Ben or Dixon

One last thing Mendenhall carries the ball like a loaf of bread and he is always a fumble waiting to happen
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Default Re: Redman over Mendenhall?

A lot of guys are defending Mendenhall, saying he's better all around (I was one of them) but I think Redman is clearly out playing him. He's running a lot harder and usually breaks tackles at first and often second contact. Mendenhall is quicker and faster but he never seems to break one. The guy had like 4.4 speed at the Combine but he doesn't seem to have any home run threat whatsoever.
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That debacle on the goal line, may not have ended the same way if Redman was toting the ball, and it certainly was pathetic play calling. The Steelers have a propensity to run dive after dive in situations like that instead of play action pass run roll outs which are great options especially when you have mobile QB like Ben or Dixon

One last thing Mendenhall carries the ball like a loaf of bread and he is always a fumble waiting to happen
The third down play call was a pass. Ben checked out of it because he didn't think he could do it with his ankle. The blocking was also really bad. Goal line runs have more to do with execution than playcalling, and the execution was poor. The Browns also simply defended it extremely well. They do get paid, too.

Mendenhall doesn't fumble nearly as much as his reputation suggests. It's unfair.
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The is no way to measure Redman vs Mendenhall. Redman has never been given a chance to carry a full load in any game or a sequence of games. From what I have seen, he is better blocker, just as good a pass receiver, knows how to go north and south better and has better horizontal movement and for sure a spin move that works which Mendenhall does not have,

Mendenhall can get outside quicker and is probably faster and was a number one draft choice

If I were the Steeler braintrust I certainly would start giving Redman at 40% of the load and see what happens

That debacle on the goal line, may not have ended the same way if Redman was toting the ball, and it certainly was pathetic play calling. The Steelers have a propensity to run dive after dive in situations like that instead of play action pass run roll outs which are great options especially when you have mobile QB like Ben or Dixon

One last thing Mendenhall carries the ball like a loaf of bread and he is always a fumble waiting to happen
So much of the above is not true. He has been the starter already, and he averaged the same 3+ yards/carry as Rashard. As for his blocking and receiving, there's either no reason for you to believe that, or we can take the coaches' word for it that Rashard is better. He certainly seems it to me. Redman is definitely a better North-South runner, but his horizontal movement is better? Even you seem to negate this just a line or two later.

At some point you've got to realize that you've got a hard-on for Redman, and that you're seeing things that are either not there, or that we have yet to see. But let's stick to reality. I realize Mendenhall's been a disappointment for many this year, but that story's bigger than just him, and it starts higher up.

As for his fumbling, you're not even in the same dimension as the rest of us. See below.
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The third down play call was a pass. Ben checked out of it because he didn't think he could do it with his ankle. The blocking was also really bad. Goal line runs have more to do with execution than playcalling, and the execution was poor. The Browns also simply defended it extremely well. They do get paid, too.

Mendenhall doesn't fumble nearly as much as his reputation suggests. It's unfair.
Exactly. 772 carries, plus 63 receptions, plus 7 kick returns, and in all of that he's fumbled six times. That's a .7% fumble rate, and even if we don't count his rookie season (because of the Ray Lewis hit) that's two fumbles per year! That's lower than Bettis, Marshall Faulk and Curtis Martin!
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IMO. mendenhall is what i said he would be after being drafted. he is an average(to slightly above) RB from a spread option scheme. he was afraid to get hit his first year in the NFL, but thankfully that has worn off.

that being said, the O-line isn't holding up their end of the deal either.
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