Why Big Beg Isn't given Elite Status

[BlaZeQuietly]

By now we all know who the elite QBs are

RODGES
BREES
BRADY

in that order, and P. Manning if he's playing.

Big Ben is put on the level as Romo, Eli and Rivers.

I don't necessarily disagree with that analogy.
Every time Big Ben looks like he could join the Elite club he slips up.
Yeah he has 2 rings, which is more than rogers, and more than Breese and more than Manning. He just doesn't put up the numbers though. He turns the ball over to often and has those bad games, for instance last years superbowl. He really hasn't lived up to his Mr. Clutch label lately. Don't get me wrong, I love watching him play, hes my favorite player in all of sports, but he's just not elite status and never will be, luckily the steelers don't need him to be because they actually have a defense, and some other big play makers.

[Sixburgher]

Originally Posted by BlaZeQuietly

He turns the ball over to often and has those bad games, for instance last years superbowl. He really hasn't lived up to his Mr. Clutch label lately.

And when's the last time Brady lived up to the "elite" and "clutch" labels that have been ascribed to him in a postseason game? It's been a while. QUITE a while.

[OX1947]

Had Big Ben won last February, he would have been a first ballot hall of famer. So, if Big Ben wins one more super bowl, Hall of Fame is bigger then Elite. Not a chance a 3 time SB winning starting QB isnt a first ballot hall of famer.

[BlaZeQuietly]

Brady 36 TD 11 INT
Roethlisberger 21TD 14 INT

Brady 4,897 passing yards
Roethlisberger 3,865 passing yards



Mathew Stafford 36 TD 14 INT 4,518 passing yards

Brady, yeah not so clutch, but the stats say it all.

BIG BEN is a GREAT Quarterback and fits in great with the steelers, but he is NOT elite and unfortunately I don't think hes going to be around as long as brady breese or rodgers because ben relies on running around and extending plays and he takes a lot of big hits, as he gets older hes not going to be able to do that,
these other guys are pocket passers, they get rid of the ball fast, and they can keep playing with that style for a long time, Ben, as good as he is will probably only be our QB for another 5 years unless he can change the way he plays, which he won't. I think he has another SB or 2 in him though.

[PhantomJB93]

Stafford and Brady are really bad comparisons, at least stat wise. They can both easily throw 50 passes a game just because of their offensive schemes. Ben is lucky to throw 30. More passes=more yards=more TDs.

And I agree as a strict passer Ben isn't on their level, but his play-extending ability is what puts him there. Not many can do what he can and it more than makes up for his lack of stats/laser accuracy. Ben is like a top 7-8 pocket passer but a top 5 overall QB easy. There's more to the position now than just standing back and throwing a perfect pass from the pocket in under 3 seconds.

[Sixburgher]

Originally Posted by BlaZeQuietly

Brady 36 TD 11 INT
Roethlisberger 21TD 14 INT

Brady 4,897 passing yards
Roethlisberger 3,865 passing yards



Mathew Stafford 36 TD 14 INT 4,518 passing yards

Brady, yeah not so clutch, but the stats say it all.

BIG BEN is a GREAT Quarterback and fits in great with the steelers, but he is NOT elite and unfortunately I don't think hes going to be around as long as brady breese or rodgers because ben relies on running around and extending plays and he takes a lot of big hits, as he gets older hes not going to be able to do that,
these other guys are pocket passers, they get rid of the ball fast, and they can keep playing with that style for a long time, Ben, as good as he is will probably only be our QB for another 5 years unless he can change the way he plays, which he won't. I think he has another SB or 2 in him though.

And Roethlisberger has 100+ fewer attempts than both Brady and Stafford . Statistics are misleading unless you look at the entire picture. Elway stuck around for 16 seasons playing a very similar style to the way Roethlisberger plays.

[tony hipchest]

"elite" is nothing more than a catchphrase popularized in conjunction with the rise of fantasy football.

back in the day there were 3, maybe 4, elite qb's every decade. nowadays theres a new qb crowned as elite every single year.

hell, p. rivers and m. vick have gone from elite to non-elite, back to elite again, in a single year.

[BlaZeQuietly]

Originally Posted by tony hipchest

"elite" is nothing more than a catchphrase popularized in conjunction with the rise of fantasy football.

back in the day there were 3, maybe 4, elite qb's every decade. nowadays theres a new qb crowned as elite every single year.

hell, p. rivers and m. vick have gone from elite to non-elite, back to elite again, in a single year.

Kind of makes me wonder if some of these people are taking performance enhancing substances, the NFL currently does not test for them I don't think. This whole 3 people having a shot at Marios record reminds me of McGwire, Sosa and Bonds all crushing the HR record around the same time, turns out they were all on rhoids. I know a lot of the "year of the QB" thing has to do with the new rules, but really, looks at some of these players, they look like john cena.

[tony hipchest]

tom brady is definitely on 'rhoids. he's so puckered up and constantly on the" injury" report, the Tucks rule was named after him.

[Bayz101]

Your numbers can be through the roof, but the rings are all that matters.