I hardly ever agree with anything Terrell Suggs has to say, except this.

[fer522]

Originally Posted by jsteleplayer

First time poster here, Raven's fan as well. Somehow I stumbled on this board and have enjoyed reading it past few weeks. You guys are passionate fans! But after reading some recent posts I had to speak my mind. Realize I may get banned or get flamed and that's ok.

First off, I love this rivalry and no matter what you say, it is a rivalry. In past decade, a time when both teams have been good at the same time, we are the only team that beats you almost as much as you beat us. That being said, you absolutely do own us in the playoffs!! And I for one used to be nervous about facing you in the playoffs, you always had our number. However I do feel this year is different and things have shifted somewhat. I am hoping we get to face the Steelers in our stadium.

Secondly, I see so much talk about how the Raven's fans are trash, Baltimore is a trash city, everyone there is scum ect. While I agree that sections of Baltimore are horrible with a high crime rate ect, the counties and suburbs around it where much of the fan base comes from is actually very different. I live about 30 minutes from Baltimore and we have some of the top schools in the nation, the people are nice, it is relatively affluent and all around a great place to live! And that goes for pretty much all the areas surrounding baltimore with a few exceptions. I really see a lot of stereotyping going on here and I realize a lot of it just comes from good natured trash talking, but some of it crosses the line and is bordering on ignorance.

Last, and this is directed at 60 minutes. Most of your posts are in fact ignorant. To sit there and say you would never take Suggs on your team is laughable. If he and Ray Lewis were drafted by and lifelong Steelers, you would love it!! You say Suggs is a thug? Everyone who I know who has met him has said he is a fun loving jovial guy who laughs a lot and is fun to be around. I don't know if down the line he may get into trouble and be classified as a true thug but when I look at James Harrison punching an opponent who is down on his hands in knees in the back, that is what I call a thug. That being said, I would take him or Troy on my team in a heartbeat. Sure Suggs talks too much and is too flashy. Doesn't make him a criminal and a thug. And remember if he were a Steeler, "all those things he has said" would be about the Ravens. And not taking Ray Lewis? Please. You wouldn't take the guy who will probably go down as a top 3 middle linebacker to ever play the game? You don't realize that all your feelings about these guys would be totally different if they always wore black and gold. If Harrison was a lifetime Raven you would say THE SAME stuff about him based on his actions! And to say Rooney wouldn't have those players on their team because that isn't the Steeler way of doing things? Two words. Ben Roethlisberger. People love to classify other teams as full of criminals but I watch ESPN and see the "police blotter." Every team in the NFL drafts from the same pool and for the most part goes for talent before character. See, you posts are so full of contradictions it's amazing. Like the one where you say you hope to see a bone sticking out of Suggs leg yet the Ratbirds fans are the ignorant one's. I would never wish that on a player!!

Look I love the Raven's, I love to hate the Steelers. I LOVE the rivalry and so look forward to when they play. Just thought some of the comments crossed the line and wanted to speak my mind. So if is the last post I get to put on here, it's been fun! See ya!

i'm not gonna be no hypocrite i hate Ray And I HATE Suggs but i'd take them in a heartbeat

[tony hipchest]

Originally Posted by jsteleplayer

First time poster here, Raven's fan as well. Somehow I stumbled on this board and have enjoyed reading it past few weeks. You guys are passionate fans! But after reading some recent posts I had to speak my mind. Realize I may get banned or get flamed and that's ok.

And not taking Ray Lewis? Please. You wouldn't take the guy who will probably go down as a top 3 middle linebacker to ever play the game?

Look I love the Raven's, I love to hate the Steelers. I LOVE the rivalry and so look forward to when they play. Just thought some of the comments crossed the line and wanted to speak my mind. So if is the last post I get to put on here, it's been fun! See ya!

welcome. your post is fine, certainly nothing to get banned for. we easilly accept opponents fans here especially if they are cognizant of keeping it fairly civil as you were and posting thoughts in the correct forum. i doubt you will even get flamed.

with that being said, i dont even thnk ray lewis is a top 3 linebacker in the past decade. sure he TALKS a big game and the (THUG U) mediots who slobber all over his jackassery buy into it and talk him up as well, but fact of the matter is, ray has supposedly been surrounded with supposedly other great defenses and cant do jack shit with it. their sole SB appearance has been proven to be a fluke.

i would take james farrior, london fletcher, brian urlacher, derrick brooks over him any day.

though i dont have enough body of work to go on, i'd most likely take patric willis over him as well.

[jsteleplayer]

Cool I'm still here! Tony, you know it is interesting, I have.always loved Ray for what he brings to the Ravens. But it wasnt until I saw a special on espn ranking the top linebackers of all time that I did a google search on that subject. Pretty much every list I could find, and I looked at a lot, had Ray in the top 3. The other two ususually being LT and Dick Butkis. Some of them also listed all their pro bowl, all pro awards, defensive mvps ect. When u compare his body of work against other great lbs, its pretty hard to argue with his placing. The lists were usually compiled by sports analyists and experts as well, not by fans who will of course be swayed by their home team. :) Whatever your feelings though I think we can both agree that Pittsburgh and Baltimore both have arguably the best, nastiest linebackers in the nfl year after year!

[jsteleplayer]

oh and plus one to Patrick Willis! He is a beast!

[nyuknyuk]

Originally Posted by Fire Arians

"With all due respect, we don't pray on the sideline," Suggs said. "I mean we do -- we give it up to God (just for) safety and health, but we're gonna go out there and win that game. We don't need our kicker to make a 62-yarder. I'm just saying. We don't need guys to fall out of bounds and then we get to punt it back ... we don't need stuff like that to happen for us."

I don't see anyone trashing Polamalu for making the sign of the cross on the field.

A little hypocrisy, perhaps?

[finesward]

Originally Posted by nyuknyuk

I don't see anyone trashing Polamalu for making the sign of the cross on the field.

A little hypocrisy, perhaps?

Last I checked polamalu didn't do a pro-life abortion commercial during the super bowl. Theres being spiritual (polamalu) and theres being obnoxious (tebow)

[SCMom]

Originally Posted by nyuknyuk

I don't see anyone trashing Polamalu for making the sign of the cross on the field.

A little hypocrisy, perhaps?

Nobody says anything about what Troy does because he is not posing for cameras and pretending it is to praise god.

[60_MINUTES]

Originally Posted by jsteleplayer

oh and plus one to Patrick Willis! He is a beast!

We agree on this.. As far as your response to me.. I guess I wasnt very clear.. I would not take them now that they have played for the ravens and said the retarded cry baby shit they have about the steelers and our mgm, fans and city.. Coming out of college of course if we would have drafted them I would have cheered them on.. but at this point I wouldnt take either one of them Suggs or Ray Ray if you paid me.. Good luck with the texans I hope they kill your ass and Ray Ray has a Joe Theisman injury... suggs to

[RavensD]

Originally Posted by 60_MINUTES

Good luck with the texans I hope they kill your ass and Ray Ray has a Joe Theisman injury... suggs to

Classy ...

[60_MINUTES]

Originally Posted by RavensD

Classy ...

thats my middle name