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Old 01-08-2012, 08:06 PM   #21
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We might allow the fewest yards, but i can't remember the last time I was confident in the defense to close out a game, it always seems like we give up the big plays when we need a stop. If our guys are confused out there because the scheme is overly complicated, then thats also the d-coordinator's fault. I'm also sick of seeing first to third round draft picks that have to wait forever to learn thr system. Especially round 1 picks should be the type of players that can suit up in the rookie season and deliver
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We might allow the fewest yards, but i can't remember the last time I was confident in the defense to close out a game, it always seems like we give up the big plays when we need a stop. If our guys are confused out there because the scheme is overly complicated, then thats also the d-coordinator's fault. I'm also sick of seeing first to third round draft picks that have to wait forever to learn thr system. Especially round 1 picks should be the type of players that can suit up in the rookie season and deliver
Now I agree completely with this assessment.
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Old 01-08-2012, 08:23 PM   #23
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We might allow the fewest yards, but i can't remember the last time I was confident in the defense to close out a game, it always seems like we give up the big plays when we need a stop. If our guys are confused out there because the scheme is overly complicated, then thats also the d-coordinator's fault. I'm also sick of seeing first to third round draft picks that have to wait forever to learn thr system. Especially round 1 picks should be the type of players that can suit up in the rookie season and deliver
Keep this in mind. We had the #1 ranked defense statistically but we played:

2 games against the Browns
1 game against the Colts
1 game against the Rams
1 game againts Jacksonville
1 game against Kansas City with Tyler Palko at QB
1 game against Seattle
1 game against Arizona
1 game againts the Titans

That isn't exactly a murders row of offensive juggernauts. Notice the Ravens' and Bengals' defenses were also highly ranked? They played those same teams.

The bottom line, going back to the Super Bowl... this defense has not been able to come up big in big games. Except for the New England game this year, name one quality offensive team the Steelers have slowed down in the past two years?
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Old 01-08-2012, 08:33 PM   #24
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Keep this in mind. We had the #1 ranked defense statistically but we played:

2 games against the Browns
1 game against the Colts
1 game against the Rams
1 game againts Jacksonville
1 game against Kansas City with Tyler Palko at QB
1 game against Seattle
1 game against Arizona
1 game againts the Titans

That isn't exactly a murders row of offensive juggernauts. Notice the Ravens' and Bengals' defenses were also highly ranked? They played those same teams.

The bottom line, going back to the Super Bowl... this defense has not been able to come up big in big games. Except for the New England game this year, name one quality offensive team the Steelers have slowed down in the past two years?
This is true. I think the defense has been an issue for a couple of years. Sure, they rank well statistically, but those stats are padded against inferior teams and QBs. The best QBs (Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Manning) eat their lunch.

Fire Arians (I think) made a good point. As much as I love LeBeau, maybe it's time to install a new less-complicated defense that allows the young kids the chance to come in and fight for a spot. They definitely need some young blood out there next year.
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I wouldn't necessarily say he should be fired, but Tomlin must put his foot down. The days of playing 12 yards off the receivers and keeping everything in front of you must be gone.

The biggest issue with this defense this year and especially today... they couldn't make big plays. Did we have any interception returns for TD? Did we have any game changing turnovers? When was the last time we had a sack in a key moment of the game?

Again... Flacco drove 92 yards to win the game. Alex Smith looked like Joe Montana. Tebow looked like Steve Young.

We couldn't come up with timely sacks or turnovers to change the game. Remember the run we had in 2008. Look at the big turnovers and sacks that turned the tide of several games. A truly "good" defense creates turnovers and big plays.
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Keep this in mind. We had the #1 ranked defense statistically but we played:

2 games against the Browns
1 game against the Colts
1 game against the Rams
1 game againts Jacksonville
1 game against Kansas City with Tyler Palko at QB
1 game against Seattle
1 game against Arizona
1 game againts the Titans

That isn't exactly a murders row of offensive juggernauts. Notice the Ravens' and Bengals' defenses were also highly ranked? They played those same teams.

The bottom line, going back to the Super Bowl... this defense has not been able to come up big in big games. Except for the New England game this year, name one quality offensive team the Steelers have slowed down in the past two years?


and how many of these games did they almost blow
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I wouldn't necessarily say he should be fired, but Tomlin must put his foot down. The days of playing 12 yards off the receivers and keeping everything in front of you must be gone.

The biggest issue with this defense this year and especially today... they couldn't make big plays. Did we have any interception returns for TD? Did we have any game changing turnovers? When was the last time we had a sack in a key moment of the game?

Again... Flacco drove 92 yards to win the game. Alex Smith looked like Joe Montana. Tebow looked like Steve Young.

We couldn't come up with timely sacks or turnovers to change the game. Remember the run we had in 2008. Look at the big turnovers and sacks that turned the tide of several games. A truly "good" defense creates turnovers and big plays.
Actually, the biggest issue is a lack of pressure on the QB. A QB under pressure will make mistakes, leading to the "big play" turnovers you speak of. Steelers defenses have always been built on a strong pass rush, even against teams with good offensive lines. This team just didn't have the pass rush that was needed...for whatever reason.
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Last time I checked, Lebeau wasn't out their on the field! You can all a game to perfection, but your players need to play!
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Actually, the biggest issue is a lack of pressure on the QB. A QB under pressure will make mistakes, leading to the "big play" turnovers you speak of. Steelers defenses have always been built on a strong pass rush, even against teams with good offensive lines. This team just didn't have the pass rush that was needed...for whatever reason.
Thats because everybody has caught up with Lebeau and his "exotic" blitzes . It was a good run for Lebeau but its time to go
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I wouldn't necessarily say he should be fired, but Tomlin must put his foot down.
Are you sure that's not what's wrong with the defense now?
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