What made Cowher Change

GoFor6 · 06-27-2006, 10:16 AM

Cowher, like his mentor, "Marty Ball" Schottenheimer, play conversative football. They win 10 games a year and never see a Super Bowl. Cowher basically followed that path until last year.

The playoffs are totally different animal - most to all teams in the playoffs can stop the run or at least reduce its impact of being the game difference.

So why did Cowher change in 2005 and what makes you think he has learned the lesson for a long time to come.

Some say Wisenhunt convinced him, others say it is because he trusted Ben, some say it because we were such underdogs and on the road that he had to mix it up. What do you say?

By the way, I looked back at the Cowher postings from December, 2005. It was a mixed bag on Cowher but nothing a Super Bowl didn't fix. Personally, I am not Cowher fan and his brand of "Marty Ball", but if he really has learned the playoff game, though it certainly took a long time... I hope he sticks around.

ARKIESTEEL · 06-27-2006, 10:18 AM

Mike Bubbie Neil Kordell Tom need i say more we never had anything else

section514 · 06-27-2006, 10:26 AM

its all about personel

Big D · 06-27-2006, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoFor6

Cowher, like his mentor, "Marty Ball" Schottenheimer, play conversative football. They win 10 games a year and never see a Super Bowl. Cowher basically followed that path until last year.

The playoffs are totally different animal - most to all teams in the playoffs can stop the run or at least reduce its impact of being the game difference.

So why did Cowher change in 2005 and what makes you think he has learned the lesson for a long time to come.

Some say Wisenhunt convinced him, others say it is because he trusted Ben, some say it because we were such underdogs and on the road that he had to mix it up. What do you say?

By the way, I looked back at the Cowher postings from December, 2005. It was a mixed bag on Cowher but nothing a Super Bowl didn't fix. Personally, I am not Cowher fan and his brand of "Marty Ball", but if he really has learned the playoff game, though it certainly took a long time... I hope he sticks around.

I still think they play concervative. Ben still didnt pass the ball very much. I think this year the ball will be up in the air more though.

DIESELMAN · 06-27-2006, 10:42 AM

Like what Arkie said and no matter what your game plan is you'll always need a very capable field general. We finally have ours in Ben. IMO I think Cowher has gotten away from being a micro manager and started trusting and listening to his co-ordinators more. We've got the best in the business with LeBeau and Whisenhunt and the rest of the staff. Year in and year out teams stick to their basic philosophies but through great coaching and experience comes the wisdom to know when to tweak those game plans to adapt to the ever changing game. Cowher has come full circle and will definitely keep tweaking for a few more seasons.

nicesteel4life · 06-27-2006, 12:26 PM

OH YEAH gotta agree. I think we finally got our field general in Ben, that hasent been there, since Bradshaw. PLUS WISE is a hell of a Offensive Play Caller, But of course that comes back to personel. But as Cowher said "We didn't even win our division" I believe thats the first step this year! He wants to Command respect in OUR division and the Team is More Solid this year than last overall. Figure this as well we finally went in as UNDERDOGS and played the games the way we wanted.

Ambridge · 06-27-2006, 12:39 PM

Imagine the possibilities of having had Ben during the last 10 seasons instead of the list of already mentioned flunkie QB's??

The only thing that concerns me is that Ben is coming in on the tail end of Cowher's tenure and that now that we have a solid franchise QB can we keep the rest of the pieces in place around him.

nicesteel4life · 06-27-2006, 12:52 PM

WOW, that is a pretty deep thought. We might have all 10 fingers done and be working on the toes!

Haiku_Dirtt · 06-27-2006, 01:12 PM

Rooney's trust in Cowher.

Cohwer's trust in Coach Whiz.

Whiz's trust in Ben.

LeBeau's trust in Polamalu.

Porter's trust in LeBeau.

That's where it starts. And has anything changed? Yeah. I see improvements across the board.

The pundits can dissect the personnel but that's what they are paid to do. But after we trounced the Colts they all went to "THE CORE" of this team for the Steeler's success.

THE CORE IS INTACT.

HometownGal · 06-27-2006, 01:30 PM

I think all of the points made here are very valid points as to why The Chin took some risks this season. He has confidence in this team as a whole, not in just a couple of elite players. He also has two excellent coordinators who he trusts implicitly. The Steelers last season oozed confidence not only in themselves but in each other and as Cowher is a master motivator, he built upon those confidences and took some chances that we as fans aren't used to seeing. It was definitely one of the most exciting seasons I have experienced in all of the years I've bled black and gold!

06-27-2006, 10:16 AM	#1
GoFor6 Draft Prospect Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sewickley Posts: 78 Gender: Male Member Number: 2352 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	What made Cowher Change Cowher, like his mentor, "Marty Ball" Schottenheimer, play conversative football. They win 10 games a year and never see a Super Bowl. Cowher basically followed that path until last year. The playoffs are totally different animal - most to all teams in the playoffs can stop the run or at least reduce its impact of being the game difference. So why did Cowher change in 2005 and what makes you think he has learned the lesson for a long time to come. Some say Wisenhunt convinced him, others say it is because he trusted Ben, some say it because we were such underdogs and on the road that he had to mix it up. What do you say? By the way, I looked back at the Cowher postings from December, 2005. It was a mixed bag on Cowher but nothing a Super Bowl didn't fix. Personally, I am not Cowher fan and his brand of "Marty Ball", but if he really has learned the playoff game, though it certainly took a long time... I hope he sticks around. __________________ Dave I still like Nate Can't wait to play the Ben-Jailed!

06-27-2006, 10:18 AM	#2
ARKIESTEEL Assistant Coach Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: FAYETTEVILLE AR Posts: 1,172 Gender: Male Member Number: 2268 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What made Cowher Change Mike Bubbie Neil Kordell Tom need i say more we never had anything else __________________ BIG FAT ARKIESTEEL

06-27-2006, 10:26 AM	#3
section514 Assistant Coach Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: dA bURGH Posts: 1,330 Gender: Male Member Number: 1401 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What made Cowher Change its all about personel __________________ http://madeyoulook.spreadshirt.com

06-27-2006, 10:42 AM	#5
DIESELMAN Assistant Coach Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Land of Sand..... Posts: 1,114 Gender: Male Member Number: 1031 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What made Cowher Change Like what Arkie said and no matter what your game plan is you'll always need a very capable field general. We finally have ours in Ben. IMO I think Cowher has gotten away from being a micro manager and started trusting and listening to his co-ordinators more. We've got the best in the business with LeBeau and Whisenhunt and the rest of the staff. Year in and year out teams stick to their basic philosophies but through great coaching and experience comes the wisdom to know when to tweak those game plans to adapt to the ever changing game. Cowher has come full circle and will definitely keep tweaking for a few more seasons. __________________ BOW DOWN TO THE BLACK AND GOLD!!!!!

06-27-2006, 12:26 PM	#6
nicesteel4life Team Captain Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Castle, PA Posts: 857 Gender: Male Member Number: 1775 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What made Cowher Change OH YEAH gotta agree. I think we finally got our field general in Ben, that hasent been there, since Bradshaw. PLUS WISE is a hell of a Offensive Play Caller, But of course that comes back to personel. But as Cowher said "We didn't even win our division" I believe thats the first step this year! He wants to Command respect in OUR division and the Team is More Solid this year than last overall. Figure this as well we finally went in as UNDERDOGS and played the games the way we wanted. __________________

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06-27-2006, 12:39 PM	#7
Ambridge Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Dale City, Virginia. Posts: 1,793 Gender: Male Member Number: 604 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What made Cowher Change Imagine the possibilities of having had Ben during the last 10 seasons instead of the list of already mentioned flunkie QB's?? The only thing that concerns me is that Ben is coming in on the tail end of Cowher's tenure and that now that we have a solid franchise QB can we keep the rest of the pieces in place around him.

06-27-2006, 12:52 PM	#8
nicesteel4life Team Captain Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Castle, PA Posts: 857 Gender: Male Member Number: 1775 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What made Cowher Change WOW, that is a pretty deep thought. We might have all 10 fingers done and be working on the toes! __________________

06-27-2006, 01:12 PM	#9
Haiku_Dirtt Head Coach Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 156 degrees 17' 30" W 20 degrees 55' N Posts: 1,749 Member Number: 1645 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	TRUST Rooney's trust in Cowher. Cohwer's trust in Coach Whiz. Whiz's trust in Ben. LeBeau's trust in Polamalu. Porter's trust in LeBeau. That's where it starts. And has anything changed? Yeah. I see improvements across the board. The pundits can dissect the personnel but that's what they are paid to do. But after we trounced the Colts they all went to "THE CORE" of this team for the Steeler's success. THE CORE IS INTACT.

06-27-2006, 01:30 PM	#10
HometownGal Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The Burgh Posts: 21,479 Gender: Female Member Number: 2413 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What made Cowher Change I think all of the points made here are very valid points as to why The Chin took some risks this season. He has confidence in this team as a whole, not in just a couple of elite players. He also has two excellent coordinators who he trusts implicitly. The Steelers last season oozed confidence not only in themselves but in each other and as Cowher is a master motivator, he built upon those confidences and took some chances that we as fans aren't used to seeing. It was definitely one of the most exciting seasons I have experienced in all of the years I've bled black and gold! __________________ The Anti-Wahoo

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