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Old 01-09-2012, 07:31 PM   #21
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Most of those are extremely stupid...but you can make a point for Arians, Smith, Kemoeatu, and Suisham. Actually I think all of those are pretty much common knowledge among us Steeler fans, but as you pointed out, if we cut everybody that we wanted to cut after a loss then we would be pretty thin all the way around.
Yeah, some of them are going to happen just because a new season is upon us, and even the Steelers lose players and cut players. It happens.

Here's the deal: we draft great players. We sign great free agents. They are all over the roster, and include at least two future Hall of Famers, maybe several more, depending on how the next five years or so play out. We are not the Jaguars or Raiders, literally throwing darts at a list of players.

We get them, develop them, and keep them. And we win with them. Harrison is just a very good example of that, so the OP is smoking crack.

One of our coordinators regularly gets top-notch production out of his top-notch players. The other does not. Someone definitely needs to go, and it ain't James Harrison.
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Old 01-09-2012, 07:40 PM   #22
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Yeah, some of them are going to happen just because a new season is upon us, and even the Steelers lose players and cut players. It happens.

Here's the deal: we draft great players. We sign great free agents. They are all over the roster, and include at least two future Hall of Famers, maybe several more, depending on how the next five years or so play out. We are not the Jaguars or Raiders, literally throwing darts at a list of players.

We get them, develop them, and keep them. And we win with them. Harrison is just a very good example of that, so the OP is smoking crack.

One of our coordinators regularly gets top-notch production out of his top-notch players. The other does not. Someone definitely needs to go, and it ain't James Harrison.
Good point.......Imagine if we lost all the good players. What next bring guys up from Scranton.....lol
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:45 PM   #23
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Most of those are extremely stupid...but you can make a point for Arians, Smith, Kemoeatu, and Suisham. Actually I think all of those are pretty much common knowledge among us Steeler fans, but as you pointed out, if we cut everybody that we wanted to cut after a loss then we would be pretty thin all the way around.
Either Farrior or Foote or both will be gone...both won't be back.
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Old 01-09-2012, 10:31 PM   #24
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Im not saying i agree with parting ways with Harrison But there is merit to the thought.
We used to part ways with aging productive players who were on the downside of their careers. 34 is on the downside. A few have had a couple of good years elsewhere while we replaced them with younger improving players.

Since Tomlin has taken over, this is not his approach. He rides guys to and past their prime.

Replacing Harrison would have more merit, unfortunatley we have 2 or 3 other aging players that need replaced now.
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Im not saying i agree with parting ways with Harrison But there is merit to the thought.
We used to part ways with aging productive players who were on the downside of their careers. 34 is on the downside. A few have had a couple of good years elsewhere while we replaced them with younger improving players.

Since Tomlin has taken over, this is not his approach. He rides guys to and past their prime.

Replacing Harrison would have more merit, unfortunatley we have 2 or 3 other aging players that need replaced now.
yeah the Steelers have been known to let go of aging productive players, but I've always thought that they either had a good person to take their spot, they were negotiating a contract and didn't want to give big money away, or their production was obviously not worth the money they were making.

I'm not a person who closely follows off-season moves, but this is how I've always thought about their decisions to let players go.
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people around here thought joey porter was the best thing since sliced bread... his best year was 10.5 sacks , and he only averaged 7.5 sacks a year over his 8 years ...now we have morons questioning harrisons ability because he only had 9 sacks in 11 games ? not to mention he wasn't 100% in a few.... jeebus people..get a F***ing grip
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people around here thought joey porter was the best thing since sliced bread... his best year was 10.5 sacks , and he only averaged 7.5 sacks a year over his 8 years ...now we have morons questioning harrisons ability because he only had 9 sacks in 11 games ? not to mention he wasn't 100% in a few.... jeebus people..get a F***ing grip
Porter left the Steelers and ended up having a career year in Miami two seasons later. just because we let a guy go, it doesn't mean he is going to fall flat on his face. Faneca was pretty productive also after leaving, not that we could afford to keep him anyhow.

Harrison will turn 34 this offseason. he's one year younger than Porter. unlike a guy like Porter, Harrison doesn't have the wear and tear of a typical 34 year old linebacker. he's only been a full-time starter since 2007. i don't know about you guys, but i didn't see much of a drop-off in his play this season. the back injury slowed him down early in the season, but he finished strong. he's been pretty durable since 2007. he missed one game in 2008 and 4 games this season due to a freak eye injury. other than his suspension, that's been it.

i don't know why you would want to cut a guy who just finished the season playing at a very high level. it's not like his play started deteriorating like other aging players.
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A loss really brings out the worst in peoples observations. James Harrison is the only mf'er on this Steelers defense not named Troy Polamalu that plays like a complete animal and is a complete HOMEWRECKER for offense's. If it wasn't for Harrison, we wouldn't be in too many games. He's saved our ass's in so many games (caused the Flacco fumble against the Raturds at Heinz) that I lost count. Go on and count how many times he was held against Denver. He's still as unblockable as I've ever seen. He should be more respected than he is perceived in this thread. I thought he had a good season givin' his health status with his back and eye. But I know, we lost, "CUT EVERYONE!!!111!!1111!111! OMGOMG."
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No, not yet.

There are a few players the team needs to move on from this off season but James is not one of them. He is still a productive OLB and I believe he will continue to be one for another season or two.
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