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Old 01-10-2012, 04:44 PM   #1
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Default All the Hines Ward talk

All season we have had discussions about Ward, his productivity, and his retirement. We have most of us who thinks he should be our #3 and still get some play time, we have some that still think he's our #2 which I disagree with, and we have some like DanRooney that doesn't think Hines would be worth having on a high school team. I'm not going to make an argument for or against Hines nor am I posting this to sway anybody. I do however, especially with all the praise we were hearing for Wallace throughout the first half of the season, wan't to post some numbers for thought.

The first six games where Ward started and was uninjured:
Hines Ward: 26 catches, 258 yards, 2 TD

Now, Mike Wallace had a somewhat decent game the second game against the Bengals. Other then that Mike Wallace has been MIA since the Ravens game. He disappeared the second half of the season. In the playoffs he had 3 small receptions and 1 big drop.

The last six games that Wallace disappeared in:
Mike Wallace, 25 catches, 325 yards, 2 TD.

There are plenty of ways of looking at those numbers and I'm sure everybody will vary on what they think. Some questions it raises though are: Are those acceptable numbers from Wallace and he didn't actually "disappear" like most of us said? Is Hines less or more productive then you thought? Do our young guys still have a lot to learn from the vet?

Interested to hear what you guys think
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Old 01-10-2012, 05:04 PM   #2
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Default Re: All the Hines Ward talk

Just remember, before the season started, tonyhipchest, mach and a few others thought getting rid of Hines and starting Brown was some far out idea that didn't make any sense. Fast forward 5 months later, and now most people on this board are saying Brown is our best receiver and Hines isn't worth keeping on the roster. My word for word at the beginning of the year was that "Hines should be a #4 or #5 receiver on this team." If he will take the vet minimum, I'm all for it. But his production and price don't match what he's offering the team at this point. I think that much we can all agree on.

Either way, keeping Hines isn't the biggest issue we're dealing with in the offseason (firing Arians, dumping a plethora of veteran bodies like McFadden, Kemoeatu, and Battle, drafting an ILB to succeed Farrior, finding a guard, etc.). Bringing him back won't exactly be moving the team in the right or wrong direction. He'd be a luxury to have, but it's really not going to make much of a difference.
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Just remember, before the season started, tonyhipchest, mach and a few others thought getting rid of Hines and starting Brown was some far out idea that didn't make any sense. Fast forward 5 months later, and now most people on this board are saying Brown is our best receiver and Hines isn't worth keeping on the roster. My word for word at the beginning of the year was that "Hines should be a #4 or #5 receiver on this team." If he will take the vet minimum, I'm all for it. But his production and price don't match what he's offering the team at this point. I think that much we can all agree on.
Good lord here we are with little dannyrooney twisting crap around yet once again. The point you consistently fail to acknowledge is that Brown wasn't ready from a mental standpoint to take the spot from Ward. When I refer to mental I don't mean he's stupid, immature, belongs in a straight jacket or any other such bs that you happen to dream up. HE DIDN"T KNOW THE PLAYBOOK. I know you like to think of yourself as possessing something resembles understandign the game. How is it that you can't grasp the importance of knowing the playbook?
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Just remember, before the season started, tonyhipchest, mach and a few others thought getting rid of Hines and starting Brown was some far out idea that didn't make any sense. Fast forward 5 months later, and now most people on this board are saying Brown is our best receiver and Hines isn't worth keeping on the roster. My word for word at the beginning of the year was that "Hines should be a #4 or #5 receiver on this team." If he will take the vet minimum, I'm all for it. But his production and price don't match what he's offering the team at this point. I think that much we can all agree on.

Either way, keeping Hines isn't the biggest issue we're dealing with in the offseason (firing Arians, dumping a plethora of veteran bodies like McFadden, Kemoeatu, and Battle, drafting an ILB to succeed Farrior, finding a guard, etc.). Bringing him back won't exactly be moving the team in the right or wrong direction. He'd be a luxury to have, but it's really not going to make much of a difference.
You were, not the only one, but definitely the main one, suggesting Brown. I was skeptical at first, but not that skeptical after watching him in the pre-season. I like Wallace and at the beginning of the season I thought he looked like he was going to have a huge year, but I would say Brown was our best receiver the second half of the season, and I definitely want him starting. I don't know what number Hines should be but IMO he should be on the field a lot more. You've always made jokes and sarcasm about Hines, which is fine, but now I know what you actually think about him, so that's cool. I figured this post would lure you in lol
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Just remember, before the season started, tonyhipchest, mach and a few others thought getting rid of Hines and starting Brown was some far out idea that didn't make any sense. Fast forward 5 months later, and now most people on this board are saying Brown is our best receiver and Hines isn't worth keeping on the roster. My word for word at the beginning of the year was that "Hines should be a #4 or #5 receiver on this team." If he will take the vet minimum, I'm all for it. But his production and price don't match what he's offering the team at this point. I think that much we can all agree on.

Either way, keeping Hines isn't the biggest issue we're dealing with in the offseason (firing Arians, dumping a plethora of veteran bodies like McFadden, Kemoeatu, and Battle, drafting an ILB to succeed Farrior, finding a guard, etc.). Bringing him back won't exactly be moving the team in the right or wrong direction. He'd be a luxury to have, but it's really not going to make much of a difference.
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Good lord here we are with little dannyrooney twisting crap around yet once again. The point you consistently fail to acknowledge is that Brown wasn't ready from a mental standpoint to take the spot from Ward. When I refer to mental I don't mean he's stupid, immature, belongs in a straight jacket or any other such bs that you happen to dream up. HE DIDN"T KNOW THE PLAYBOOK. I know you like to think of yourself as possessing something resembles understandign the game. How is it that you can't grasp the importance of knowing the playbook?
I find it hard to believe he couldn't remember a WR screen, deep pass to Wallace and a run to the right with the left guard pulling.

In all seriousness, he was with the team for over the year. Do you think AJ Green knew the entire playbook in his first game without an offseason? You don't sit a stud.
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I find it hard to believe he couldn't remember a WR screen, deep pass to Wallace and a run to the right with the left guard pulling.

In all seriousness, he was with the team for over the year. Do you think AJ Green knew the entire playbook in his first game without an offseason? You don't sit a stud.
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I find it hard to believe he couldn't remember a WR screen, deep pass to Wallace and a run to the right with the left guard pulling.

In all seriousness, he was with the team for over the year. Do you think AJ Green knew the entire playbook in his first game without an offseason? You don't sit a stud.
That doesn't surprise me one bit. You still seem to think WR's just run around all willy nilly. I know that's how you played in your backyard and there's a solid chance that you still do. However, this is the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE and there are actual plays and within those plays all 11 players have RESPONSIBILITIES. Go ahead and take the time to sound if out if you would like.
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That doesn't surprise me one bit. You still seem to think WR's just run around all willy nilly. I know that's how you played in your backyard and there's a solid chance that you still do. However, this is the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE and there are actual plays and within those plays all 11 players have RESPONSIBILITIES. Go ahead and take the time to sound if out if you would like.
Actually our WRs do run around all willy nilly after our plays break down, which they do about 70 percent of the time because of Ben. Bad example!
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Actually our WRs do run around all willy nilly after our plays break down, which they do about 70 percent of the time because of Ben. Bad example!
We will actually agree that our plays frequently break down because of Ben. However, that still doesn't discount the importance of knowing the playbook. I see you edited your post to include Julio Jones and the following proves that theory wrong. The following was written on Oct 4th.

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Jones is one of the most gifted athletes you will ever see on a football field, but NFL history is littered with talented speedsters who could not learn an offense or get open against zone coverage. Jones’ speed and leaping ability got him to the NFL, but his mastery of the Falcons' offense has set him apart from the others on this list. Jones is not a bombs-and-screens receiver or trick-play specialist. He is running a full route tree and making an impact in a variety of situations, including third-and-long.
There's a reason Julio was a 1st round draft pick.
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