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Old 01-21-2012, 04:05 PM   #21
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Do we need to fix BEN??? wow a 2 time SB champion thats in the middle of breaking every record in the Steelers book.. A probowl QB? come on guys get real here.. some of you are suggesting drills he should do lol... come on..

Im sure he has done every drill invented.. as well has worked on every type of foot work drill you can do.. These guys are NFL QB's.. and lets get one thing straight BEN is one of the better ones of all time... Yes his style of play is different at times but facts are facts BEN has had huge success and im not talking about just in the win dept.. His Stats have been among the top in the league for years..

Anyway this move is about scheme and matchups.. something BA couldnt do.. BEN won with talent mostly his own. We never get machups guys.. We never seem to lock Heath on a LB or get alot of one on ones for Brown or Wallace. We have talent out of the ass at many different spots on this team and we just keep running the same basic stuff.

Yes BEN throwing some on time would be good.. but having your first read open every now and then should not be to hard to do.. We drop back read 1 and 2 is covered so BEN plays school yard ball.

make no mistake about it BEN can get better in the pocket and throwing on time but to suggest is it to late for BEN is plain out crazy. BEN is great and one of few with 2 SUPERBOWL's... dont give me this team or D won them for him shit either.. BEN made huge plays all year long in each of those superbowls that got us there and helped us win them.

This move is about bringing in a guy that will out coach another team from time to time and not just hope your QB makes a school yard play to win it for you
Every record but scoring. When Madden stats become more important than the score of games toward the Lombardi, (no doubt Goodell is trying figure out how to make that happen), then his ability to rack up meaningless stats will work to his favor, but now it just help illustrate how really broken things are.
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Old 01-21-2012, 04:08 PM   #22
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Every record but scoring. When Madden stats become more important than the score of games toward the Lombardi, (no doubt Goodell is trying figure out how to make that happen), then I'll be impressed with records.


Right Ill give you that.. the NFL is looking for stats thats for sure.. however thats part of this move.. you got a QB that can put up these numbers with WR and TE having the talent we got..

If you cant score with a QB like this and talent like this then you got to bring in a coach that can
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Old 01-21-2012, 04:11 PM   #23
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Right Ill give you that.. the NFL is looking for stats thats for sure.. however thats part of this move.. you got a QB that can put up these numbers with WR and TE having the talent we got..

If you cant score with a QB like this and talent like this then you got to bring in a coach that can
I edited my post a little. It still says basically the same thing though.
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Old 01-21-2012, 04:11 PM   #24
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Winning more and more, leading more and more come backs, winning more playoff games and SB's, that's stagnate or digressing? Obvious troll or ratbird fan.

Fact of the matter is Ben is a top 5 QB and us Steelers fans should consider ourselves lucky. There's very little to fix. He needs to practice more, I don't mean throwing passes in Latrobe, I mean game film study. That would cut down on his interceptions. He can throw the slant pass that we all want to see just fine, go watch the game against the pats this year, but if we don't call it he won't throw it, that's not on him. It's hard to throw the ball sooner when you are waiting for your receivers to run their long bombs and when you have to take your eyes off the down field picture to see where your line has broken and run away from it. Yes he could release it earlier SOMETIMES, yes he could get a bit better throwing the long bomb, but the bottom line is he's one of the best in the game right now, this team would be nowhere without him, and nobody is perfect. There is room for improvement with every body. You don't hear pats fans whining about Brady not throwing that well on the run or doing poor under pressure. Yet so many of us pick on Ben's few, and often far between, short comings. EVERYBODY has room for improvement and nobody will achieve perfection, there are 32 starting QB's in the NFL and our guy is better then at least 27 or them.


You are right on the money... not to mention the only QB's that are even close to being better then BEN are mostly if not all HOF QB....

by the way how stupid do we look as fans to be acting like BEN is missing all this stuff or whatever but yet he himself is on his way to the HOF... Wow
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Old 01-21-2012, 04:11 PM   #25
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Ben is not the problem with the offense. He has proven he can run a no-huddle and run an offense. Does anyone not remember all the times the Offense sprung to life because Ben ran No-Huddle? Did anyone not see the Titans and Bengals games this year?

Arians' simple mind did the offense in thanks to his Greed (going for too many high risk/low probability plays and such) and junk playcalling. Long-developing pass plays that rely on Ben's freelancing and mobility, and insipid route design.
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Old 01-21-2012, 04:12 PM   #26
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BUFFONE: Roethlisberger’s Style Needs Tweaked
http://www.kittanningpaper.com/2012/...-tweaked/23020
by John Buffone

Pittsburgh Steelers president and co-owner Art Rooney addressed the media yesterday to talk about the team’s future. One of his most interesting remarks was in regards to his star quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. Rooney said that his franchise QB will need to “tweak” his game to avoid taking so many sacks and hits in the future.

Although he is as big as most linebackers at 6’5, 250 lbs, Roethlisberger turns 30 in March and is averaging 43.5 sacks per season since 2006. While Rooney’s comments may be a subtle nudge at offensive coordinator Bruce Arians to run the ball more, changing Roethlisberger’s style of play right now seems almost impossible. Ben has made his mark on the league by extending plays, taking hits and playing hurt; making it unlikely that his mindset will change as he grows older.

Unfortunately for the Steelers, some of the injuries that Roethlisberger has been able to deal with in his mid-to-late twenties will become much more difficult to deal with as he enters his early thirties. Those who draw parallels between Roethlisberger’s style of play and Brett Favre’s use the argument that Favre was able to last 20 seasons in the NFL, which bodes well for the bigger, stronger Roethlisberger. In his 20-year career however, Favre was only sacked 40 times in a season once while Roethlisberger already has five seasons of 40 or more sacks in his 8-year career. While it shouldn’t be expected to see Roethlisberger throwing balls away to avoid contact anytime soon, something certainly needs addressed before the Steelers have to start looking for an heir apparent.
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Old 01-21-2012, 04:17 PM   #27
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I don't know about "fixing" him but I would like to prolong his career though. If that involves changing his style so be it. The hits he is taking are doing nothing for his longevity.
This is true, but his style of play is due to the O line. Ben usually stays in the pocket unless it's broken down. Being that it's broken down so much it makes it seem like that's his "style of play" when really it's just him trying to make something happen while our O lineman watch the backs of 2 or 3 defenders as they try to chase Ben down. He will go out of a good pocket every now and then, but if it's there he usually stays in it.
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This is true, but his style of play is due to the O line. Ben usually stays in the pocket unless it's broken down. Being that it's broken down so much it makes it seem like that's his "style of play" when really it's just him trying to make something happen while our O lineman watch the backs of 2 or 3 defenders as they try to chase Ben down. He will go out of a good pocket every now and then, but if it's there he usually stays in it.
I hear ya but Ben's got to realize that he's getting older now. If the play is covered, throw the damn ball away and run the next play. He can't continue to take unecessary hits and try to force throws.

He has to show wisdom which should come with age.
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I don't know about "fixing" him but I would like to prolong his career though. If that involves changing his style so be it. The hits he is taking are doing nothing for his longevity.
Well maybe an offensive line that isn't on crutches every week might be a good start along with a left tackle that isn't third on the list of guys you'd want out there.


But as usual, we'll probably just pick up some more defensive linemen or linebackers.
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Old 01-21-2012, 10:38 PM   #30
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Get Ben a line and a running game and he'll be the top qb in the league!

You can't bag on Ben for hanging on to the ball too long, thats his game . end of story.

His style of play is b/c the O line has sucked for years.
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