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Old 07-12-2006, 12:14 PM   #21
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He'll take time to pray with you if you have enough money. But don't dare be poor or enlisted.

lol..yea..you might want to take CL's advise before those of us who ACTUALLY served are who ARE currently serving ask you what branch you are in to make that statement!

Points to CL for driving around the landmine!
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Old 07-12-2006, 12:18 PM   #22
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If you saw my last post, you would see that I told you I'm in the Air Force. You know, the branch that's losing 20,000 people and 23% of our budget.

But I certainly can't blame the President for that because he has a good heart and having a good heart is defining characteristic you want in a President.
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Old 07-12-2006, 12:26 PM   #23
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If you saw my last post, you would see that I told you I'm in the Air Force. You know, the branch that's losing 20,000 people and 23% of our budget.

But I certainly can't blame the President for that because he has a good heart and having a good heart is defining characteristic you want in a President.
Then Jeremy you are fully aware that a VAST majority of our boys in uniform support the President...and yes I still have alot of friends and contacts in the service
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Old 07-12-2006, 12:33 PM   #24
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It's not as vast as it was 2 years ago before we started losing good people to force shaping.

Personally I don't care about our President having a good heart. I've read stories that paint a very different picture of him, but you believe what you want to believe I guess. I care about him being an effective leader, and the jury is still out on that issue.
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It's not as vast as it was 2 years ago before we started losing good people to force shaping.

Personally I don't care about our President having a good heart. I've read stories that paint a very different picture of him, but you believe what you want to believe I guess. I care about him being an effective leader, and the jury is still out on that issue.
Point taken and agreed....it was just the general statement that he doesnt care about enlisted that I would say MOST enlisted men do not agree with....

...and since I havnt said it yet..THANK YOU for serving our country.
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I'd say it depends on how long you've been in. Old school NCOs probably believe that the President has their best interests at heart. Young NCOs and troops feel more ambivilent about the President and his support for them. They see 20,000 troops being pushed out the door by the end of the year, and 23% less money being devoted to their branch which means using outdated equipment and cutting back on training, and they see a reduction in their pay raises, and what you end up with are troops who don't feel like the governments, and the President, really care about them. At least that's been my experience.

And there's no need to thank me. I'm just doing what every good American should do.
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I'd say it depends on how long you've been in. Old school NCOs probably believe that the President has their best interests at heart. Young NCOs and troops feel more ambivilent about the President and his support for them. They see 20,000 troops being pushed out the door by the end of the year, and 23% less money being devoted to their branch which means using outdated equipment and cutting back on training, and they see a reduction in their pay raises, and what you end up with are troops who don't feel like the governments, and the President, really care about them. At least that's been my experience.

And there's no need to thank me. I'm just doing what every good American should do.

But by your own admission..the simple majority of new NCO's and troops still support the President..right? Which means you are giving the minority viewpoint?
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I'd say it's 50/50 at best.

Don't get me wrong, we all believe in America and our mission. But a lot of these kids I've seen come into the Air Force is the past 18 months hold a much lower opinion of the President than the people who were here when I came in.

There is a difference between supporting the President and supporting the mission. The younger troops are more able to seperate the two than most of our older troops.
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I'd say it's 50/50 at best.

Don't get me wrong, we all believe in America and our mission. But a lot of these kids I've seen come into the Air Force is the past 18 months hold a much lower opinion of the President than the people who were here when I came in.

There is a difference between supporting the President and supporting the mission. The younger troops are more able to seperate the two than most of our older troops.

Okay..I was beginning to like ya...but you are losing credibility when you say that 50% of the troops dont support the President...I have a dispatcher here who has been out of the Air Force for 1 year and she states that you are making a "political estimate" and that it is closer to 70-75% that support the president..(Whom she does not like)
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Default Re: President Bush as Mr. Vincent Saw Him

50/50 was for new troops.

Overall it's probably about 80/20. But that depends on where you're at. Combat units might be different from comm units just because they get different types of people.

Truth be told Lamberts, it's really like 20% support fully, 20% don't support fully, and 60% don't care as long the check is in the bank on the 1st and the 15th. That 60% might swing one way or the other depending on the issue, but they try and stay out of politics because it starts arguments that they don't really care about.

But once again, that's just my experience.
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