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Old 02-20-2012, 05:09 AM   #1
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Default Has eli surpass ben ?

I am going by super bowl performance,
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Old 02-20-2012, 05:25 AM   #2
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Default Re: Has eli surpass ben ?

I'll take Ben over pretty much any QB in the league on this team. He fits this team better than most QB's in the league. I certainly hope this doesn't turn into another Ben bashing thread and "I would rather have this guy than Ben", but I'm sure it will.
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:41 AM   #3
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No. Emphatically no.
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Old 02-20-2012, 07:23 AM   #4
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Default Re: Has eli surpass ben ?

I'll just say this

- Ben had one of if not the greatest game winning drive in SB history

- Yes - Ben statistically had the worst QB performance, but still made critical plays

- Lastly, Eli's receivers have shown up late in the season. Outside of Antonio Brown - not many I can name that have helped Ben late in the season the past couple years. Winning and losing is a team effort - so by no accounts am I putting the lone blame on any WRs - but aside from El to Hines in XL and Holmes being possessed on the last drive in XLIII, the Steelers receivers IMHO need to get back to late season "clutch" levels for them to get #7
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Old 02-20-2012, 07:52 AM   #5
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Default Re: Has eli surpass ben ?

I give Eli a slight edge because he did more to help his Team win his first ring than Ben did...and i'm not sure Ben would thrive under Coughlin...he seems to sensitive
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Old 02-20-2012, 08:03 AM   #6
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Default Re: Has eli surpass ben ?

Yes he has by two Super Bowl MVP Awards.

There is not a top five quarterback list in the NFL- there is a top four list and it goes in no particular order: D. Brees, T. Brady, P. Manning, and A. Rodgers. People can debate the fifth all day but no one in their right mind would debate those four. Outside of that I'm not sure if it matters who is better than whom. I think there will be an obvious fifth emerge next year and I think it will be either Matt Stafford or Cam Newton. They both had monster years last year and Newton was a rookie.
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Old 02-20-2012, 08:04 AM   #7
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I'll just say this

- Ben had one of if not the greatest game winning drive in SB history

- Yes - Ben statistically had the worst QB performance, but still made critical plays

- Lastly, Eli's receivers have shown up late in the season. Outside of Antonio Brown - not many I can name that have helped Ben late in the season the past couple years. Winning and losing is a team effort - so by no accounts am I putting the lone blame on any WRs - but aside from El to Hines in XL and Holmes being possessed on the last drive in XLIII, the Steelers receivers IMHO need to get back to late season "clutch" levels for them to get #7
I say they're pretty even. But C'Mon Man, don't try to diss WRs to make your point. This is about QB decision making and Ben has made some Big snafus at critical times the last two seasons.

But overall, he has performed on par with Eli.
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Old 02-20-2012, 08:54 AM   #8
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Default Re: Has eli surpass ben ?

Living in the N.Y.-N.J. metro area I have seen Eli since day 1.
His growing pains are well documented, same as Ben.
However, Eli's awareness of the big picture seems better at this point in time.
His decision making has improved a great deal.
He rarely risks injury by prolonging a play, he gets rid of the ball if the play is shot.
Ben, gunslinger that he is, always wants to try and make the big play.
Bad interceptions and injuries result. (Cleveland game injury - in hindsight did it decide our season?)
At this point in time, Eli gets a slight edge.
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Old 02-20-2012, 09:00 AM   #9
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I do not like Eli but will give him props this year. He had a horrible year last year and one of his best this year, but one fact remains the Giants were 7-7 with two games left this season and its not a coincidence that they began their SuperBowl run when they got healthy and most of their front defense back. Eli had no real "brain farts" but really did nothing special in both of his Superbowls. A no name receiver makes a miracle catch and his defense holds the Patriots to 14 and 17 points. Meanwhile against the Patriots defense the Giants score 17 and 19 (2 points goes to the defense for the safety). Eli was named MVP in his first Superbowl because he is a Manning, his numbers were not as good as the numbers Ben put up in his second Bowl.
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Default Re: Has eli surpass ben ?

I'm not sure, and I really don't believe it's relevant, to be honest. I also don't think Super Bowl MVP award's should be a deciding factor at all. I honestly think Ben should have won MVP for the '08 SuperBowl.
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