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Old 02-23-2012, 04:14 AM   #1
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Default A Mike Wallace study from an insomniac

Unable to sleep tonight, I delved deep into Mike Wallace and some thoughts for us to make our own conclusions.

Wallace was 25th in receptions last year behind a lot of other WRs.

He was 11th in total yards with 1,193.

Antonio Brown had nearly the same yards per catch at 16.1 to Wallace's 16.6 and that ranks 16th in the league with guys that have 30 or more catches.

Wallace is tied for 11th in total TDs (8) with 10 other players including Plaxico Burress.

Wallace is tied for 13th for most 20 yard catches. 11 to 13 catches less then Steve Smith and Calvin Johnson.

Tied for 4th with most 40 yard catches with 7 to leader Calvin Johnson's 10.

Receivers with more yards then Wallace last year.

REC YRDS AVG YPG LONG TD

Calvin Johnson 96 1,681 17.5 105.1 73T 16
Wes Welker 122 1,569 12.9 98.1 99T 9
Victor Cruz 82 1,536 18.7 96.0 99T 9
Larry Fitzgerald 80 1,411 17.6 88.2 73T 8
Steve Smith 79 1,394 17.6 87.1 77T 7
Roddy White 100 1,296 13.0 81.0 43 8
Jordy Nelson 68 1,263 18.6 78.9 93T 15
Brandon Marshall 81 1,214 15.0 75.9 65T 6

Wallace 72 1193 16.6 74.6 95 8

Wallace had 6 more TD catches then any other Steeler wideout with 8. That is what worries me. The other guys just didn't score TDs.

Plaxico Burress did not have a big year with the Jets last year :
45 rec 612 yds 13.6 avg 8 TD 30 longest catch

But he is the first guy I contact if we lose Wallace to help in the red zone and bridge the gap between losing Wallace and the 2 new WRs the Steelers would have to draft to try and replace him.


So Wallace in my opinion is a precarious top ten talent.

WR Salaries in 2011 top ten, starting with 10.

Anquan Boldin - 2011 Salary $6,000,000 Contract 4 year / $28,000,000
Greg Jennings - 2011 Salary $6,512,500 Contract 4 years / $26,885,000
Roddy White - 2011 Salary $6,525,000 Contract 6 years / $48,000,000
Reggie Wayne - 2011 Salary $8,033,333 Contract 6 years / $39,500,000
Andre Johnson - 2011 Salary $8,828,571 Contract 7 years / $62,700,000
Miles Austin - 2011 Salary $8,540,000 Contract 7 years / $57,168,000
Steve Smith - 2011 Salary $8,550,000 Contract 6 years / $43,850,000
Brandon Marshall - 2011 Salary $10,600,000 Contract 5 years / $47,300,000
Calvin Johnson - 2011 Salary $12,629,133 Contract 6 years / $55,500,000
Larry Fitzgerald - 2011 Salary $21,500,000 Contract 8 years / $120,000,000

Wallace is probably in that 8 million per range around Miles Austin and can even make a case for Brandon Marshall and him being similar, however I do not think Wallace is as polished as any of the above top ten and all are known for some dramatic catch that was deemed tremendous. All with the exception of Miles Austin are more physical then Wallace..

Younger guys in the league like AJ Green and Victor Cruz are in my opinion much better then Wallace.

If we lose Wallace, get the extra number one, draft two quality Wide Receivers in the draft, and sign a free agent wideout.

Brown
Sanders
Free Agent (I like Burress)
WR Draft pick 1 (hopefully a Michael Floyd)
WR Draft pick 2

Not as solid as if we had Wallace, but in 2 years who knows and what choice do the Steelers have if Wallace won't sign a deal with them. The other big difference in Wallace and those other guys is he can be shut down. He had 1 catch against Cleveland the last game of the year and 3 against the Broncos.

The bottom to mid tier free agent WRs this year. Some possibilities to help but no Wallace.

Early Doucet (ARZ)
Harry Douglas (ATL)
Roscoe Parrish (BUF)
Legedu Naanee (CAR)
Roy Williams (CHI)
Andre Caldwell (CIN)
Eddie Royal (DEN)
Braylon Edwards (FA)
Pierre Garcon (IND)
Anthony Gonzalez (IND)
Devin Aromashodu (MIN)
Bernard Berrian (MIN)
Greg Camarillo (MIN)
Domenik Hixon (NYG)
Plaxico Burress (NYJ)
TJ Houshmandzadeh (OAK)
Jerricho Cotchery (PIT)
Patrick Crayton (SD)
Ted Ginn (SF)
Mike Sims-Walker (STL)
Donnie Avery (TEN)
Kevin Curtis (TEN)
Lavelle Hawkins (TEN)
Donte' Stallworth (WAS)
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:22 AM   #2
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Default Re: A Mike Wallace study from an insomniac

Very informative post, thanks for putting it up.

I like your ideas, and I think we need a taller wide receiver target on the team next year. Most of the squad is on the short side, and our last attempt at a tall receiver (Sweed) didn't work out so well. It's time to give it another try.
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:28 AM   #3
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Default Re: A Mike Wallace study from an insomniac

One of the options I mentioned in another post was a potential sign the franchise tag and trade Wallace way we may be able to control where he goes and keep him from the enemy in the AFC. however, i am not sure how that would work with the cap, notable if we would be on the hook for any of that.
I would absolutely not want Burress back, he would cost to much for his worth. We wold be able to keep Cotchery as he wants to stay. he second 1st round pick wold be a benfit, as we could shore up LB (Hightower) and OL (Glenn if availble)
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Old 02-23-2012, 08:38 AM   #4
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Default Re: A Mike Wallace study from an insomniac

Wasn't it Wallace who dropped that 4th and ten pass in the Superbowl on that final drive?....
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Early Doucet (ARZ) Yes, loved him out of college
Harry Douglas (ATL) meh, he's a servicable # 3-4
Roscoe Parrish (BUF) meh not really impressed
Legedu Naanee (CAR) NO he's good for, well really don't know!
Roy Williams (CHI) NO NO NO NO NO lazy
Andre Caldwell (CIN) NO NO NO trouble with the law
Eddie Royal (DEN) meh if he's over the injuries
Braylon Edwards (FA) meh love his talent if he wants to prove himself
Pierre Garcon (IND) NO this ain't the Run and Gun
Anthony Gonzalez (IND) NO injury prone
Devin Aromashodu (MIN) meh Bernard Berrian (MIN) NO too old
Greg Camarillo (MIN) meh he's ok
Domenik Hixon (NYG) NO
Plaxico Burress (NYJ) meh see Braylon, and only if he can stay out of the bars!
TJ Houshmandzadeh (OAK) NO NO NO done
Jerricho Cotchery (PIT) Yes like what he did for us last year
Patrick Crayton (SD) NO bum
Ted Ginn (SF) No need
Mike Sims-Walker (STL) meh all the talent but can he excel
Donnie Avery (TEN) NO going the wrong way
Kevin Curtis (TEN) NO done
Lavelle Hawkins (TEN) meh
Donte' Stallworth (WAS) NO way in hell... MURDERER
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Old 02-23-2012, 08:45 AM   #6
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Your top 10 list only has Miles and Cruz who has minimal league experience right? Miles was injured, and plays with Romo, Cruz who knows yet about him, it helps when your other WR's has talent as well.

I would agree on Burress, but he will still ring your register 4-5million.


Wallaces played on a team with one of the worst Olines in the league.
Wallaces all pro QB had a damaged thumb? Damaged foot? Shoulder?
Wallaces was double teamed, opening up Browns 2nd half emergence.
Wallace had to run shorter routes due to poor pass coverage and an ailing QB

What occurred inthe 2nd half wasn't becuase Wallace just went to sleep. Ben couldn't throw, Oline couldn't block, everything turned into short routes and double teamed.

If you go to sign one of the more elite WR, your still paying 5-6million. So Wallace isnt worth 6-7mill, maybe 8?

If Wallaces goes to the Pats and Welker is stillt here, they will get 3200 combines yards, at least. Especially with a decent 3rd option not named Branch. Brady might go for 6,000 with those 2 TE's and Wallace and Welker.
Funny thing is, he can send 5 out and still not get sacked, lol
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Your top 10 list only has Miles and Cruz who has minimal league experience right? Miles was injured, and plays with Romo, Cruz who knows yet about him, it helps when your other WR's has talent as well.

I would agree on Burress, but he will still ring your register 4-5million.


Wallaces played on a team with one of the worst Olines in the league.
Wallaces all pro QB had a damaged thumb? Damaged foot? Shoulder?
Wallaces was double teamed, opening up Browns 2nd half emergence.
Wallace had to run shorter routes due to poor pass coverage and an ailing QB

What occurred inthe 2nd half wasn't becuase Wallace just went to sleep. Ben couldn't throw, Oline couldn't block, everything turned into short routes and double teamed.

If you go to sign one of the more elite WR, your still paying 5-6million. So Wallace isnt worth 6-7mill, maybe 8?

If Wallaces goes to the Pats and Welker is stillt here, they will get 3200 combines yards, at least. Especially with a decent 3rd option not named Branch. Brady might go for 6,000 with those 2 TE's and Wallace and Welker.
Funny thing is, he can send 5 out and still not get sacked, lol
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people who think wallace is only worth 8 mil / year on a lenghty contract signed in 2012 are so far off the mark it isnt even funny...

contracts arent arbitrarily hashed out on message boards or gleefully stamped with hometown discount double checks.

theres a proven formula agents and the FO people like omar kahn work with. its not as simple as throwing 2 numbers out there and happilly meeting in the middle. he WILL get market value. its up to the steelers to decide if they can afford it.

as for the list of wr's even the top 10, the difference is mike wallace blows the doors of just about every one of them. theres anly a hand full of wr's who absolutely cannot be single covered despite the cb and wallace is one of them. he is upper eschelon and will be paid accordingly.

thats just the way it is.
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Well Tony, that is what message boards are for, LOL We can play GM here and sometimes sound intelligent, LOL
I wasnt inferring 8million straight up. Signing bonues go in etc. My point was, you can sign someone else with good talent, your not going to be far off by replacing him elsewhere as you bid now out of desperate need to fill a hole. Your yeplacement will be far less than Mike in talent. BTW I"m fine with paying him 9.4million, lol

Here is a good question for the Steelers as they think their pass defense is a true #1 and probably doesn't need help. Although I still scratch my head how that happened.

Do you want to defend Mike Wallace? Ike? Clark? Troy?lol
Which guys on in the Steeler secondary do you want to cover Wallace? Troy would be standing at the 30 when Mike hit the 50 running.
Which 2 guys can you use to double team Wallace?

We could not even come close in covering Wallace. So if the #1 pass def in the league can't cover that WR, is that not a WR you want at all costs on yoru team?
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Ike would cover Wallace, hands down.
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