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Old 07-14-2006, 11:39 AM   #11
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with all these wars you kinda have to begin to wonder if this could be the begining of world war 3
I'm sure some will disagree, but the situation that is currently taking place in the middle-east is reason enough to believe that this could easily escalate into a WW. Very hairy situation in that region of the world.
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Old 07-14-2006, 12:32 PM   #12
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Thanks for posting this B&G203,

I have been meaning to post something about this myself recently but haven't got around to it.

There are alot of people who vehemently disagree with the methods Israel are currently using against the civilian population of the Gaza strip and I am one of them.

The Israel Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, has waged a vicious psychological campaign in retaliation for the abduction of a single Israeli soldier.

Now some people here might agree with the zero tolerance policy shown here, but I think it is disgraceful that the UN have not done more to prevent the terror inducing policies of the Israeli army.

Among their latest strategies is the frequent (up to 7 times daily), night time, sonic-booming of the civilian population - the idea is to have the population unravel pschologically - this includes total innocents and children.

Olmert commented on this episode with great humour - remarking that he hoped not many would sleep in Gaza peacefully again.

It seems natural enough to side with a country that has been an ally to the more democratic countries over the last 20 years, but this is the action of a despicable individual and the UN needs to do something before it is too late.

A personal article detailing the effects of the terror tactics.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0607/S00027.htm

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Old 07-14-2006, 03:08 PM   #13
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Thanks for posting this B&G203,

I have been meaning to post something about this myself recently but haven't got around to it.

There are alot of people who vehemently disagree with the methods Israel are currently using against the civilian population of the Gaza strip and I am one of them.

The Israel Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, has waged a vicious psychological campaign in retaliation for the abduction of a single Israeli soldier.

Now some people here might agree with the zero tolerance policy shown here, but I think it is disgraceful that the UN have not done more to prevent the terror inducing policies of the Israeli army.

Among their latest strategies is the frequent (up to 7 times daily), night time, sonic-booming of the civilian population - the idea is to have the population unravel pschologically - this includes total innocents and children.

Olmert commented on this episode with great humour - remarking that he hoped not many would sleep in Gaza peacefully again.

It seems natural enough to side with a country that has been an ally to the more democratic countries over the last 20 years, but this is the action of a despicable individual and the UN needs to do something before it is too late.

A personal article detailing the effects of the terror tactics.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0607/S00027.htm

NM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1908671.stm

Litp, since this is from your national news, maybe you will understand a little more about this enemy. "suicide bombing" yea, I can see where you would think that Israel are the true terroists! You keep your faith in the good old UN! Oh yea, Hezbollah is not despicable, its the PM of Israel! "zero tolerance" what the hell are you talking about! So all of the suicide bombers that walk into a pizza shop and or store and kill 20 or 30 Israeli's is "zero tolerance", thats just plain stupid!
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We've made our bed with Israel and we need to lie in it. To withdraw support at this point would be akin to the cut and run tactics of Reagan in Beirut or Clinton in Somalia; it would provide a victory for extremist opponents. But I do think we need to exert our power to reform Israeli-American policies so there is more stability in the region.

If we let Isreal be destoyed, there is a possibility civilization as we know it would end. There is a belief that Israel has informed the nuclear powers of the world that, if certain of imminant destruction, Israel will launch its nukes at all the major cities of those countries. Including the US. There is a name for this that is biblical in orgin (the something option of principle). The idea behind it is that Israel says if they are going down, everyone elses is going down with them. So its in all of our interests to make sure they don't go down.

I don't agree with what Israel is doing to the Lebanese government. By destabilizing the quasi-reasonable government of Lebanon while going after Hezbollah, they are destroying any possibility of having a stable border to the north. Now the government will either have no power or will be forced to side with Hezbollah. So begins another occupation with no end in site....
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If we let Isreal be destoyed, there is a possibility civilization as we know it would end. There is a belief that Israel has informed the nuclear powers of the world that, if certain of imminant destruction, Israel will launch its nukes at all the major cities of those countries. Including the US. There is a name for this that is biblical in orgin (the something option of principle). The idea behind it is that Israel says if they are going down, everyone elses is going down with them. So its in all of our interests to make sure they don't go down.
i have read of this..and have every reason to believe its true....Israel would do this....
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We've made our bed with Israel and we need to lie in it. To withdraw support at this point would be akin to the cut and run tactics of Reagan in Beirut or Clinton in Somalia; it would provide a victory for extremist opponents. But I do think we need to exert our power to reform Israeli-American policies so there is more stability in the region.

If we let Isreal be destoyed, there is a possibility civilization as we know it would end. There is a belief that Israel has informed the nuclear powers of the world that, if certain of imminant destruction, Israel will launch its nukes at all the major cities of those countries. Including the US. There is a name for this that is biblical in orgin (the something option of principle). The idea behind it is that Israel says if they are going down, everyone elses is going down with them. So its in all of our interests to make sure they don't go down.

I don't agree with what Israel is doing to the Lebanese government. By destabilizing the quasi-reasonable government of Lebanon while going after Hezbollah, they are destroying any possibility of having a stable border to the north. Now the government will either have no power or will be forced to side with Hezbollah. So begins another occupation with no end in site....

Who are you kidding, Hezbollah is the government of Lebanon!!
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Who are you kidding, Hezbollah is the government of Lebanon!!
If Hezbollah ran the government than the Lebanese government would not have kicked the Syrian Army out of their country last year. This was a huge step towards more stable relations with Israel. Syria is among the few countries in the world that most would agree uses state funds to sponsor terrorists. How long do you think it will be now before Syria's army is back fighting Isrealis on the norther border?

So yeah, I think its bad policy to eliminate any possibility of maintaining a diplomatic relationship with Hariri's Future Movement party that currently holds power in Lebanon. Or at least they did 2 days ago. I just can't imagine another party that would be more reasonable popping up now.
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well...if hezbollah is funded by syria,doesn't that kinda make them syria's army?
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If Hezbollah ran the government than the Lebanese government would not have kicked the Syrian Army out of their country last year. This was a huge step towards more stable relations with Israel. Syria is among the few countries in the world that most would agree uses state funds to sponsor terrorists. How long do you think it will be now before Syria's army is back fighting Isrealis on the norther border?

So yeah, I think its bad policy to eliminate any possibility of maintaining a diplomatic relationship with Hariri's Future Movement party that currently holds power in Lebanon. Or at least they did 2 days ago. I just can't imagine another party that would be more reasonable popping up now.

It's all about strategy my friend. I'm not saying that I completly disagree with you. Hezbollah knew how Israel would react! I'm afraid to say that Syria, Iran and yes even al qaeda will be on the northern border fighting the "Infidels"!
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Israel has constantly taken crap from their wonderful neighbors and they respond every time. They wanted to just blast them but America has always held Israel back but this time it was the straw that broke the camel's back and Israel is finally smacking back in a big way.

How can anyone not know what Israel has had to endure? It is their home and their lives that depend on them. Those damned terrorist countries want to wipe Israel off the map and the U.N. does nothing. Get 'em good, Israel.
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