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Old 07-16-2012, 01:38 AM   #771
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Default Re: The Official Mike Wallace Thread

Welker or Williams – Who Could Be Viable Option Over Steelers’ Wallace?

Jul 15th, 2012 by CraigSteelers

The Steelers may not be able to come to terms with their young speedster receiver, Mike Wallace. And if by chance that happens, the Steelers may (or very well may not) be on the market to pick up a viable #2 or #3 receiver to compete against the rest of The Core while in camp or even someone who could come along post-Wallace era.

While constantly thinking about the Steelers, I get to play a lot of ‘what if’s’ in my head. Some are pleasant, some would make a person shudder. The ‘what if’ currently swirling around the ol’ noggin’ is the Steelers deciding to let Wallace hold out AND take it a step further by looking for another receiver to compete in camp. There’s one in particular who’s available because his former team showed him the door this past Friday. The other potential receiver is not likely to sign a long term deal with his current team and will be forced to play with a franchise tag this year. Without that new deal, he will probably be a free agent next season and may get a good glance by the Steelers were it to come to that. But which one of these receivers – Mike Williams or Wes Welker – would be a viable option over Mike Wallace?

Mike Williams would be entering his 6th season in the NFL were he to play for another team. Williams had a shaky start to his career for the first few years and all but completely disappeared by 2007 when on the Tennessee Titans’ roster. But former college coach and now head coach of the Seahawks, Pete Carroll, signed Williams and got him back in action after Williams missed the 2008 and 2009 seasons. Williams quickly reached a potential everyone could get behind after catching 65 passes for 751 yards in his first season back. After Seattle snagged Sydney Rice from the Vikings, most folks thought that Rice and Williams would be a duo to fear. Williams is 6’5″ and runs a 4.5 40. Not lighting fast, but on par with most receivers. That tall frame and decent hands could snag bomb after bomb if given the chance. However, as most things that come Tavaris Jackson’s way, Williams had a hard time connecting with his QB. Williams’ production fell in 2011 by 500 yards and was shown the door this past Friday.

Williams could be an effective and make an immediate impact for the Steelers were they to sign him to a one year deal by camp. It certainly would show Mike Wallace that the Steelers are playing hard ball and playing for keeps. Everyone is replaceable. Sure, it could sour relations immensely between Wallace and the Steelers, but I can only assume that things aren’t really that great right now with Mike and the FO over this contract stalemate. Williams has a big frame and could be a nice compliment to Antonio Brown on the other side of the field. He’s not as fast as AB, but his size would play a huge advantage. Were the Steelers offense to have a formation that included Williams, AB, Leonard Pope and Heath Miller – that’s 3 out of 4 guys over 6 feet for corners and linebackers to cover. A recipe for big gains over the middle with quick screens and in-curls. Who needs to go big down the field when you can keep peppering a team with 15-20 yard gains every passing down? I think that Williams is far from being washed up. He had the potential in 2010 when he was with Matt Hasselbeck. You have to look at the context of his next season when playing with Tavaris Jackson – who is simply awful. Little Doug Baldwin was their best receiver with over 700 yards. The next top receiver had barely over 400 yards. Jackson and Charlie Whitehurst just killed the offense for these Seahawks. Williams can still cut it in the league and very well could be a good addition to the Steelers if they decide to ‘move on’ from Mike Wallace. Williams was supposed to get $3 million in 2012 and would be a steal.

Should Mike Wallace not sign a long term deal and only play one season with his tender (or no season at all), I could certainly see the Steelers deciding to call it quits with Wallace and not go after him as an unrestricted free agent. At that point, they will have no leverage. If Wallace doesn’t play at all, then we know he is dead set on big money and the Steelers will never offer it up to a guy who hasn’t deserved it yet. So who could be out there as a replacement. Well, regardless of Mike Williams being in the picture or not, there’s a current (and soon to be former) New England Patriot who could take Wallace’s roster spot.

Wes Welker got slapped with the franchise tag this offseason by the Patriots. Welker has been trying to work on an extension with the team this whole time and has until 4pm on Monday to get a deal done. If that doesn’t happen, then he will be forced to play 2012 with his tendered tag of $9.5 million guaranteed. My feeling is that if a long term doesn’t get done by then, then Welker probably won’t get signed at the end of the season by the Pats. There might be a bit of bad blood from all those drops against the Giants in the Super Bowl.

Should Welker be available and the Steelers boot Mike Wallace into the big ocean of free agency, then I think the Steelers could sign Welker to a one year deal. Worth something close to $6 million. It’s a bit pricey and Welker is getting up there in years – will be 32 by next offseason – but, he has yet to show any signs of slowing down. Welker runs a 4.6 40 yard, but his size plays a huge advantage in slants and crossing routes. He is a very good technique football player and, aside from those drops in SB XLVI, has very good dependable hands. He is another version of Hines Ward minus the blocking. And, I would say he’s a cut above Jerricho Cotchery who plays a very similar game. At least right now he is.

I’m sure it’s a bit of a hard pill to swallow to think that the Steelers would sign a guy just like Hines Ward and almost just as old when the Steelers decided to release Ward. Depending on how Cotchery continues to pan out, and depending on how this offense evolves this season without Wallace (for the sake of this post), then Welker could be a good addition and short term solution. There’s no way the Steelers would sign him to anything more than a one year deal, but he could be worth the single season investment. It might be just the thing they need to be Super Bowl bound again. They just may want to bench Welker in February…. I kid I kid.

I honestly think that Williams is the better investment. Bigger frame, younger, and faster are three of his advantages over Welker. Which one would the Steelers go with? Hard to say since we are looking at two different periods in time. But, having to guess which one fits the Steelers offense better and could act as a better replacement over Mike Wallace – I’d have to go with the other Mike. I’m kind of sick of the Wallace ‘thing’ and wouldn’t mind the Steelers going with someone like Williams as a different option. Some sources think Williams could go to the Vikes – God love the irony, right Sydney? As always, we’ll see what happens in the coming weeks.

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Wallace is wicked fast, and that's all, and he can catch the ball, (that's an important skill for a receiver too). Randell El had wicked quickness, until he lost a step--one step, then he had nothing, but desire, which wasn't enough. Once Wallace loses a step, and that will be soon, he will be dead weight against the cap and overpaid at any price.

Don't take that to mean I don't like Wallace as a Steeler--I do. I just think that the FO needs to be mindful of what he brings to the table and the chances of that continuing for more than two more years.
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The Matt Forte deal isn't helping matters either - 4 yr, 32 mil
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Wallace is wicked fast, and that's all, and he can catch the ball, (that's an important skill for a receiver too). Randell El had wicked quickness, until he lost a step--one step, then he had nothing, but desire, which wasn't enough. Once Wallace loses a step, and that will be soon, he will be dead weight against the cap and overpaid at any price.

Don't take that to mean I don't like Wallace as a Steeler--I do. I just think that the FO needs to be mindful of what he brings to the table and the chances of that continuing for more than two more years.
I don't see him losing a step till he hits 30 and what is he? 23? 24? I want to keep Wallace for one more contract. 5 or 6 years.
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ESPN’s Clayton Says Steelers Are ‘Confident’ About Wallace Deal

Jul 14th, 2012 by CraigSteelers

Above is a link to a short segment with ESPN’s John Clayton talking about the last restricted free agent in the NFL without a deal – Mike Wallace.In the clip, Clayton says ‘no deal’ as of yet (duh) but that the Steelers organization is optimistic about signing a deal with Wallace before camp starts. He notes the Steelers are good at ‘taking care of’ their top players such as Ben Roethlisberger and Troy Polamalu. The Steelers are confident that there won’t be a holdout either.

Taking care of their top players. Very true Mr. Clayton. But, I am hard pressed to put Mike Wallace in the same breath as Big Ben and the Tazmanian Devil. Wallace is a very good young player. But, he has yet to fully prove himself as a high impact and ‘can’t do without’ player such as Ben and Troy. That’s why a deal hasn’t been signed yet in the first place. Wallace wants money equivalent to the top paid receivers in the league. That would be like taking Andy Dalton and signing him to the same kind of money Big Ben has. Dalton of the Cincinnati Bengals is a very good young quarterback. But is he elite? Can the Bengals not win without him?

And, while most of us chuckle and think, ‘It’s tough for the Bengals to win with anyone’ I think the Bengals can win without a guy like Dalton. So if he were to have the same kind of numbers this season and next as he had last season, then stand on his box and ask for a $100 million contract, he would be laughed at. Much like how Wallace can’t be taken seriously right now demanding for a paycheck as big as Larry Fitzgerald’s. No way. No how. Not when you essentially disappear halfway into the season.

The only way the two sides come to an agreement is if Wallace sucks it up and signs what the Steelers are willing to pay him – my guess is six years with $8 million/year on a sliding scale getting him up to $11 million in his last season of his contract that is chalk full of incentives to keep him producing. Will he sign something like that? Right now, the way this situation has been silent, I would say no. But, the Steelers Omar Khan has a way of getting contracts done.

We don’t have much time before camp starts. Will a contract get done in time. Right now the scale is tipping in favor of a ‘no.’

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Ray Rice = Ravens offense so I get that contract in terms of value of player but 17 mil for first year (front loaded)? yikes!

Just give Mikey some reaonable incentives (if possible) and lets get him in asap
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People are making too big of a deal about Wallace wanting Fitzgerald money. I don't think he expects to get that, it's his asking point in the negotiation process. I do think 7-8 mil a year if fair for both sides.
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Default Big Weekend for Dark Knight could bode well for signing Wallace

Sometimes I forget that the Rooney's actually have some partners now. And one of the primary ones is Thomas Tull the mega rich producer of the Batman films. If you have noticed recently the Steelers have had no trouble signing their own to big money deals like Timmons at 9 mil per and Woodley over 10 mil per, I really think the Rooney's aligning themselves with these deep pocket co-owners gives them the ability to have the upfront money needed to sign their own players.

The same thing is happening in the Penguins organization with their co-owner Ron Burkle as we see them having no problem in spending to the cap and not letting their key components leave either. And the Lemieux and Rooney groups still maintain a majority ownership but have powerful financial backing to build their teams without hesitation.

The same could have been true of the Pirates had a owner like Mark Cuban and other Hollywood investors like Michael Keaton been allowed to purchase the team.

So a big box office run for the new Dark Knight movie just further lines the pockets of Tull and gives the Steelers the upfront money they need if they choose to do so to sign future players down the road.

As we all have discussed abundantly on this forum though, is Mike Wallace worth the mega deal contract that he surely is seeking? Signing Wallace or not we can rest assured that we as Pittsburgh Sports Fans of the Steelers and Penguins will never have to worry about a lack of money to compete for titles with the current ownership groups in place. Maybe the Pirates with the team they are building should take a lesson from the others.
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I could def see the positive effect the TDKR release will have on Tull and who knows, maybe his money does play a big factor into what we've spent over the last few years. I'm confident no matter how it plays out that Mike will get the money he deserves and not a cent more or less.

Thankfully the Steelers are not like the Deadskins or Cowgirls of the world who waaaaay over extend themselves for highly unproven noobs. Out of those two teams, the only one deserving of an elite pay day is Romo - and even that is questionable because he is good but can't get them over the hump in big games.

All Wallace needs to realize is that the Steelers will take care of him long term, they just can't give him something front-loaded right now. Now, if they take Scott's money and apply it to his first year, maybe that will be enough incentive?
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Im sick of that Wallace is mediocre BS....Hes not just some dime a dozen speedster.....his speed is truly special

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Finding Gems like Wallace in the draft isn't like going down to the grocery store and picking up some milk


Hes not all time great, but he means a lot to this offense....an offense that already struggles to put up 20
There are 2 more clips in that link that show what Wallace can do, the one against the Browns may even be a more impressive display of his speed. If you ever get to watch a game in person, you'll really get a feel for how fast he really is. You can't really tell in on the TV....

Wallace IS special, seems the only ones that don't realize it are some Steeler fans (many of whom seem to be on this board). Sure, his numbers tapered off last season, but 1) Brown's numbers went up and 2) Ben was hurt.

He has the tools and the QB to make him an all time great. If that happens remains to be seen, but the potential is there imo.
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