Why register with the Steelers Fever Forums?
 • Intelligent and friendly discussions.
 • It's free and it's quick. Always.
 • Enter events in the forums calendar.
 • Very user friendly software.
 • Exclusive contests and giveaways.

 Donate to Steelers Fever, Click here
 Our 2013 Goal: $400.00 - To Date: $00.00 (00.00%)
 Home | Forums | Editorials | Shop | Tickets | Downloads | Contact Pittsburgh Steelers Forum Feed Not Just Fans. Hardcore Fans.

Go Back   Steelers Fever Forums > Steelers Football > Pittsburgh Steelers


Steelers Fever Fan Shop

Doc's Sports Get FREE NFL Picks and College Football picks as well as Football Lines like live NFL Lines and updated NFL Power Rankings all at Doc's Sports Service.

Steelers Steelers - Giants Giants
August 9th, 2014, 7:30pmET

CBS
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 04-03-2012, 10:10 PM   #21
Steelers5895
Starter
 
Steelers5895's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 534
Member Number: 23994
Thanks: 6
Thanked 157 Times in 100 Posts
Default Re: Timmons a Bust? Your thoughts?

Quote:
Originally Posted by StainlessStill View Post
You do realize that the entire 2011 Pittsburgh Steelers defense underachieved when it came to turnovers, right? We had what? A total of 15 turnovers the ENTIRE 2011 football season and you're going to come down on a guy being asked to play 3 solid positions throughout a 16 game schedule?

To put things into perspective and if you want to compare Timmons' numbers to the other elite players on the Steelers defense that pretty much did squat in the "game changing" department:

Ryan Clark:
Tackles- 100
Sacks- 1
Interceptions- 1
Pass Defensed- 5

Lawrence Timmons:
Tackles- 93
Sacks- 2
Interceptions- 1
Pass Defensed- 5

Troy Polamalu:
Tackles- 91
Sacks- 1
Interceptions- 2
Passed Defensed- 14

James Farrior:
Tackles- 78
Sacks- 2
Interceptions- 0
Pass Defensed - 0

and since you compared Larry Foote....

Larry Foote:
Tackles: 47
Sacks: 1.5
Interceptions: 0
Pass Defensed: 1

As you can see, Timmons' overall numbers pretty much match the production of our other elite's playing alongside him on our defense (who had the luxery of playing their respected, natural position all season.)


For the record, Timmons had a monstrous year in 2010, worthy of a Pro-Bowl appearance with a WHOPPING 135 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 interception & 2 forced fumbles, not to mention 9 pass's defended.

If you're more worried about judging our team by the numbers of Pro-Bowls rather than their significance to the overall unit, then you are TRULY not understand the Black & Gold philosophy. Lawrence Timmons played his ass off last year doing a helluva job at what he was asked to do, full of 10 other underachievers on defense.
where did I say ONLY pro bowls is how I am judging? Talk about selective reading. Thing is, all the guys you listed at one point had a top defensive year, Timmons has not. I like the ton of excuses I am reading on why you guys so badly want to view him as great.

He has average production in his 5 years. His overall body of work is below what can be expected from OUR 1st round picks.

Again, you guys love to say how he had to play in unfamiliar spots, well so did Chad Brown at a pro bowl level. Timmons failed at OLB. His production has not been what I would like to see from a first rounder with all his physical tools.

He is approaching bust status.
Steelers5895 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2012, 10:11 PM   #22
Steelers5895
Starter
 
Steelers5895's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 534
Member Number: 23994
Thanks: 6
Thanked 157 Times in 100 Posts
Default Re: Timmons a Bust? Your thoughts?

oh and again, selective reading, I wasnt comparing Timmons to Foote in 2011 but pre- Timmons. jeez
Steelers5895 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2012, 10:20 PM   #23
SteelersinCA
Team Owner
Supporter
 
SteelersinCA's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 2,537
Gender: Male
Member Number: 9302
Thanks: 4
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Timmons a Bust? Your thoughts?

What is your criteria? There is a tremendous gap between "bust" and "pro bowler." Lots of 1st round picks aren't pro bowlers but play very well.

Your original question was is he a bust and the obvious answer is no. He may not be a pro bowler but you asked about him being a bust. I think that question is ridiculous. A bust is Ryan Leaf. Timmons isn't in the same galaxy, don't be stupid.
SteelersinCA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2012, 10:28 PM   #24
StainlessStill
Living Legend
Supporter
 
StainlessStill's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 3,423
Gender: Male
Member Number: 12999
Thanks: 441
Thanked 1,154 Times in 479 Posts
Default Re: Timmons a Bust? Your thoughts?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steelers5895 View Post
oh and again, selective reading, I wasnt comparing Timmons to Foote in 2011 but pre- Timmons. jeez
I'm just comparing your statements in a nut-shell because you're only coming back with trying to justify your argument from the sheer fact of comparing him to Chad Brown or any other player for that matter while you continue to tip-toe around your inane argument that Timmons hasn't had a productive season or isn't versatile. You totally failed to comprehend and completely ignore his 2010 stats OR what kind of significance he portrayed in his 2011 season by doing what he did and how he stepped into the outside linebacking role when he ultimately didn't even get the nod at that position until either Woodley or Harrison was ruled out. It doesn't get more versatile than that.

I know, I know. Just because he didn't churn in 21 sacks, 18 forced fumbles and 10 interceptions, he didn't play well at all, right? Give me a break. There's way more to a players craft than their numbers (even I was dissapointed that Timmons didn't have a breakout year yet givin' his numbers. HE WILL eventually.)

You also may want to recalculate your definition of "bust." Timmons has givin' this defense the necessity of how players are plugged into LeBeau's zone-blitz defense. He is surrounded by the elite of the league around him so it's easy to ask more from him but I assure you he doesn't perform like a "bust" player. He's anything BUT a bust.

If you truly believe that, then how do you break down and validate our leader (Dick LeBeau's) words about Lawrence Timmons being his MVP on defense all last year?
__________________
"I believe the game is designed to reward the one's who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play!" -Jack Lambert
StainlessStill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2012, 10:31 PM   #25
MACH1
Quest For Seven
Supporter
 
MACH1's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Potataho
Posts: 13,925
Member Number: 3236
Thanks: 1,495
Thanked 4,458 Times in 1,672 Posts
Default Re: Timmons a Bust? Your thoughts?

FIRE LEBEAU
__________________


ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
MACH1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2012, 10:34 PM   #26
Black N' Yellow
Draft Prospect
 

Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 77
Member Number: 19123
Thanks: 0
Thanked 13 Times in 10 Posts
Default Re: Timmons a Bust? Your thoughts?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steelers5895 View Post
where did I say ONLY pro bowls is how I am judging? Talk about selective reading. Thing is, all the guys you listed at one point had a top defensive year, Timmons has not. I like the ton of excuses I am reading on why you guys so badly want to view him as great.

He has average production in his 5 years. His overall body of work is below what can be expected from OUR 1st round picks.

Again, you guys love to say how he had to play in unfamiliar spots, well so did Chad Brown at a pro bowl level. Timmons failed at OLB. His production has not been what I would like to see from a first rounder with all his physical tools.

He is approaching bust status.
Lol..... If I recall correctly, "OUR" first round picks don't really start for the first year or so and in 2009 he had a so-so year with 78 tackles but our entire defense stunk it up that year.

In 2010 he responded with 135 tackles 93 of which were solo. And if you expect more from a first round pick.... I don't know what to say. And last year he had a pretty decent season with almost a 100 tackles. It was a pretty weird season with injuries and I think he did pretty well bumping to the outside and covering for both Woodley and Harrison.
Black N' Yellow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2012, 10:40 PM   #27
TRH
Living Legend
 
TRH's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: eastern PA
Posts: 4,391
Gender: Male
Member Number: 17206
Thanks: 98
Thanked 222 Times in 155 Posts
Default Re: Timmons a Bust? Your thoughts?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire Arians View Post
long answer: no

This.

It is a "long" answer. While he's certainly not a bust, he's certainly not one of the elite in the NFL either. I think he's close, but hasn't materialized into the gigantic superstar they thought he would be.
There's times when he goes weeks being nearly invisible and other times he shines. I think he's solid...hope we see a better year from him this year, that would be great
TRH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2012, 11:01 PM   #28
tony hipchest
IRONMAN a.k.a. Tony Stark
 
tony hipchest's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Give me back my game...
Posts: 38,140
Member Number: 658
Thanks: 1,486
Thanked 6,211 Times in 2,672 Posts
Default Re: Timmons a Bust? Your thoughts?

Quote:
Originally Posted by MACH1 View Post
FIRE LEBEAU
hater.



the OP must not be paying attention to how rediculous his claim is, because he still refuses to acknowledge timmons excellent 2010 season or the season he led all interior linebackers in sacks with 7 (as a situational pass rusher).

according to the OP's lofty criteria and standards heath miller, ben roethlisberger, ike taylor are all "busts" and not worthy of their megamillion $$$ contracts.

__________________
tony hipchest is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2012, 11:10 PM   #29
Millers the sh!t
Assistant Coach
 
Millers the sh!t's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Western MA
Posts: 1,208
Gender: Male
Member Number: 22201
Thanks: 176
Thanked 435 Times in 262 Posts
My Mood: Cheeky
Default Re: Timmons a Bust? Your thoughts?

Timmons is a non stop beast. He's got the motor of a hamster. I don't look/compare ANY of our defensive stats in 2011 cause they played a total different defensive style last year. We went from mediocre passing and first in rush defense 2010 (record breaking rush defense) to a number one pass defense and embarrassing rush defense (to our standards) in 2011. I wouldn't be surprises if we use the 2011 defense again this year. That means less excitement, and less turnovers. Hopefully a health LB crew for 16 games will add a little spice again though.
__________________
Mike tomlin equals one dimensional offense, and lack of fundamentals, which equals consistent losses to inferior teams, lack of discipline and injuries.
Millers the sh!t is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2012, 11:20 PM   #30
StainlessStill
Living Legend
Supporter
 
StainlessStill's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 3,423
Gender: Male
Member Number: 12999
Thanks: 441
Thanked 1,154 Times in 479 Posts
Default Re: Timmons a Bust? Your thoughts?

Quote:
Originally Posted by TRH View Post
This.

It is a "long" answer. While he's certainly not a bust, he's certainly not one of the elite in the NFL either. I think he's close, but hasn't materialized into the gigantic superstar they thought he would be.
There's times when he goes weeks being nearly invisible and other times he shines. I think he's solid...hope we see a better year from him this year, that would be great
^ This. I'll say it once and I'll say it again. I was dissapointed with the situations Timmons was presented with last season only because he hasn't broken out like the player I expect him to be. He has every damn inch of maximum potential to be the best in the league and he could still achieve that because he's young and just starting when it comes to production.

The OP is using the term "bust" and I really do think that's awful for not appreciating his talents and what he brings to the Steelers defense. This dude is a natural freak who could blow anything up at any time, whether it be rushing the QB, stopping the run or run step for step with the league's dangerous backs and wideouts in his pass-coverage skills.

He isn't THERE yet and he hasn't arrived to his potential but I feel the time is coming. Last year he was asked to play out of his comfort zone and for that, I appreciate what he did and backed off of that expectation until the 2012 season.
__________________
"I believe the game is designed to reward the one's who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play!" -Jack Lambert

Last edited by StainlessStill; 04-03-2012 at 11:30 PM.
StainlessStill is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:39 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Shoutbox provided by vBShout v6.2.1 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.0.8 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.
Navbar with Avatar by Motorradforum
no new posts