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Old 04-07-2012, 07:57 AM   #11
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Default Re: Tomlin riding coattails of Cowher?

Lets see what the Steelers look like in 3 years then I'll tell what kind of a head coach Tomlin is.
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Old 04-07-2012, 08:22 AM   #12
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Default Re: Tomlin riding coattails of Cowher?

One of the things about Cowher that was incredible was through the Super Bowl win, Cowher's teams had compiled a record of 108–1–1 in games in which they built a lead of at least eleven points at any time in the game. He knew how to keep the ball away from opponents and close out games.

Biggest gripe against Tomlin is he truly is terrible at time management, and his knack or Lebeau's knack for playing extremely high risk defenses in crucial situations late in games. Denver, and Baltimore come to mind as last second losses where not the safest defense was called given the circumstances.

Time will tell with Tomlin as the team becomes filled with more of his players. On offense all that remain of the starters are Ben, Heath Miller, and Willie Colon. Defense has about 5 Cowher Starters.
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Old 04-07-2012, 08:34 AM   #13
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You realize we were a top passing defense this year because teams stopped throwing and ran the hell out of the ball against us right? The Texans only passed for 21 times for 138 yards because Arians ran for 155 of the Texans 180 yards rushing; and it goes on Ravens dropped 170, the shitty Colts put up 97, the Jags put up 133, the Bengals put up over a 100 and the list goes on. The Steelers on average allow one hundred yard rusher every 2 YEARS, we allowed a handful this year. If you can win running teams will do that; now, its just masked after all Tebow dropped 300 on our secondary.

D-line, you can't say "injuries" because Smith and Keisel have been having injury problems; even Hampton has. Cowher and Noll were legendary for being prepared for that. Tomlin has used a ton of picks on position guys and not enough on quality defensive lineman and offensive lineman.

I'm not bashing Tomlin because I did say he was doing a good job...obviously, we are winning. What I'm saying is that he is not as GREAT as people want you to believe. Billick won a SB and no one thinks he was an amazing coach.
I'd say every teams' defense in the AFC North was overrated to some degree because of the soft schedule, especially the amount of weak QBs on other teams. Cleveland has nowhere near a top 10 defense, despite their ranking. i will say that we were playing some really nice defense halfway through the year, around the time of the Patriots game. we were unable to get Woodley and Harrison healthy and on the field at the same time. that sucked, because Woodley was having an outstanding season before getting hurt... just as Harrison had returned from his eye injury and had finally recovered from his back surgery in the off-season.
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Old 04-07-2012, 09:17 AM   #14
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Default Re: Tomlin riding coattails of Cowher?

Time will tell; I don't think he's going anywhere and if he can just tweak some of his issues then we can keep up our great history.

I hope that we can fix the lines via the draft and play a lot more solid defense this upcoming season.
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Old 04-07-2012, 10:11 AM   #15
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I am so ****ing sick of this argument that has no basis in reality whatsoever. Tomlin is a better coach than Cowher.

He goes to the Super Bowl every other year.

So then what most people who argue this try and do, is claim that Tomlin wins with "Cowher's team".

NO.

Timmons, Woodley, Heyward, Hood, Wallace, Johnson, Brown, Sanders, Cotchery, McClendon, Gay, Mendenhall, Moore, Pouncey, Gilbert... And I know I'm missing a few have all been significant contributors.

The Tomlin being overrated thing is bullshit and should have died a long time ago. It's not a cute, smart or even thought provoking topic. It's just dumb.
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Old 04-07-2012, 10:16 AM   #16
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misfiring on a few high draft picks (Shard/Timmons/Sweed), sticking with Arians for years despite him being the clear problem of the offensive scheme(s),
Ugh. This is what's wrong with Steelers fans.

Timmons was a wasted first round pick? What the ****? Lawrence Timmons is one of the better inside linebackers in the game. Rashard hasn't been what the staff probably expected when they drafted him, but he's an upper level starter in the league.. Hardly a "misfiring".

And as far as Arians goes, I don't care that most Steelers fans hate the guy, he produced in the top half of the league almost every year. I don't know how that makes a guy the "clear" problem.
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Old 04-07-2012, 11:29 AM   #17
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Some folks are never satisfied. They think they should get a ring every year as is some team some how some way has done that...
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Old 04-07-2012, 11:47 AM   #18
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Tomlin ain't bad. Still makes stupid mistakes managing the games at times though. Also seems a little weak when it comes to making decisions. Playing injured Ben, keeping smith around all season when hes injured, etc he needs to learn how to be the dad and not the friend. Also needs To show a little passion he looks like hes getting bored with his job. He's still very young but he's decent. Probably will be really good in 10 years.
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D-line, you can't say "injuries" because Smith and Keisel have been having injury problems; even Hampton has. Cowher and Noll were legendary for being prepared for that. Tomlin has used a ton of picks on position guys and not enough on quality defensive lineman and offensive lineman.
Over the last three years the Steelers have addressed both sides of the line with generally the first two picks of each draft. So far most of those picks have worked out with the exception of Urbik.

Not every pick is always going to work out the way we would like it too. If you want all-pro players selected at every pick in the draft than you want to play Madden and stay away from real football. 4 out of 5 ain't bad.

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We'll see how Tomlin does as the teams roster changes, now that alot of the so called Cowher players are being released.
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