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Old 05-03-2012, 12:30 PM   #31
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Agree with TRH that while it could be CTE it could also be that Seau had a history of severe depression unrelated to CTE or for all we know might have financial problems or a severe drug habit (2 other not uncommon occurences among retired professional athletes) - if anyone tossed out that Seau's suicide could be due to drugs, money problems or untreated depression with no facts to back it up they justifiably would be blasted.

For the doctor i quoted to throw out speculation as to causation while admitting he did not have a clue about Seau's personal condition was extraordinarily
unprofessional unless the goal was to contend everytime a pro foootball player takes his own life it must be presumned to be CTE relatied unless proven definitively to the contrary.

NFL induced CTE is a major problem but the talking heads attributing a suicide to CTE with no proof to support it is not a proper means of advancing the goal of having CTE among pro football players being taken more seriously
No one has said that's what it was. But to say that's the first thing that needs to be ruled out is being responsible. To say it's untreated depression gets you nowhere. The cause of the depression is what matters. Especially if the cause is preventable.
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Old 05-03-2012, 12:32 PM   #32
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"As both a football fan and a researcher in this area, the news comes with great sadness first of all for such a great player. But I think we have to add him to the list of those that we worry about who could have effects of chronic, repetitive brain trauma," said Bailes, chairman of the Department of Neurosurgery at the NorthShore University HealthSystem in Chicago.

Seau, 43, was found dead at his home in Oceanside, Calif., from a gunshot wound to the chest that was apparently self-inflicted, according to police. He played 20 seasons in the NFL with the San Diego Chargers, Miami Dolphins and the New England Patriots.

"We don't have any strong evidence (yet about Seau), and we know that people commit suicide for other reasons. … But to me it's also concerning due to the fact that he had such a long playing history," said Bailes.

"The emerging research is perhaps pointing to the amount of exposure to repetitive head contacts being like a dose response. … The more you're exposed to sun light; you get a higher chance of skin cancer. … The more CAT Scans you have; you are exposed to radiation and perhaps side effects."

Before he played in the NFL, Seau played at Southern Cal. Before that, he played at Oceanside High School.

"I think the risk may end up likely being on an exposure basis. … You're looking at someone who is approaching or at 30 years of exposure. '' said Bailes.

Dan, which quote in the article bothers you?
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No one has said that's what it was. But to say that's the first thing that needs to be ruled out is being responsible. To say it's untreated depression gets you nowhere. The cause of the depression is what matters. Especially if the cause is preventable.
If it's hereditary depression the cause is not preventable. As long as we're throwing things out there.
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If it's hereditary depression the cause is not preventable. As long as we're throwing things out there.
Map his genome after the brain study. It's pricier.


Adolesc Med State Art Rev. 2009 Apr;20(1):41-56, viii.
Management of the adolescent concussion victim.

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Increasing awareness and understanding of the implications of concussion have shaped a more proactive management approach to this problem. Although the incidence of brain injuries in adolescent athletes is probably in the range of 1.6 to 3.8 million per year (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Center for Injury Prevention and Control. Facts for physicians about mild traumatic brain injury. Available at: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/pubres/tbi_.../mtbi/mtbi.pdf), difficulties in recognizing and diagnosing this condition mean that as many as 80% go unrecognized and have led to its being known as "the silent epidemic." Attempts to improve the evaluation on the sidelines, in the outpatient clinic, and in the home are helping to improve management. Better understanding of the prognosis and clinical course of concussion, as well as the importance of physical and mental rest, have also helped healthcare providers to make better decisions about allowing athletes to return to play.
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How common is CTE among former football players? Nobody knows. At the moment, CTE can only be diagnosed postmortem, after the cortex is dissected. However, there is disturbing evidence that CTE is occurring among players at rates many times higher than normal. For instance, a 2009 study commissioned by the NFL found that former players between the ages of 30 and 49 were being diagnosed with severe memory-related diseases at approximately nineteen times the rate of the general population.

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Or check his family medical history. Cheaper.
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Or check his family medical history. Cheaper.
They already denied it. Not that that means much but asking for access to his brain better than asking family members to release their mental health records. If the brain is clean then something else was involved. The drug issue should be cleared up in the normal autopsy.
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They already denied it. Not that that means much but asking for access to his brain better than asking family members to release their mental health records. If the brain is clean then something else was involved. The drug issue should be cleared up in the normal autopsy.
Yeah, just because they denied doesn't mean it's not there. But I agree all the other stuff needs to checked.
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Dan, which quote in the article bothers you?

"We don't have any strong evidence (yet about Seau), and we know that people commit suicide for other reasons."

That should end it - sportswriters and posters on fan sites speculate - someone who is being quoted as a medical professional should not be trotting out a potential proximate cause for suicide wth nothing to back it up beyond Seau having played football

I am not saying Seau's brain tissue should not be examined - what i am saying is this doctor is invested in investigating links between football and CTE and used a tragedy to speculate about tying CTE to Seau's suicide while having zero evidence of Seau's medical condition to support that causation - a doctor trading on a personal tragedy to get his concerns before the public is shamless
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Regular civllians commit suicide all the time....and we don't blame concussions. An athlete can have inner demons just like the rest of us can. They're not "holier than thou".

No one is saying that he might not have head trauma from his career. Even if he did, we'll likely NEVER know the cause. But the agenda-pushers were crawling out from under their rocks yesterday within a matter of hours. Thats what is making some people angry.
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